Sales I've seen

[Kent Ashton]

 

Cozy III first seen here at $15K, reduced.  More details in the first ad

https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?do=findComment&comment=87652

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COZY III PROJECT • $11,000 • FOR SALE AS IS • The Project is in the 90% complete, 90% to go! More information and pictures are available. • Contact Michael Scovel , Owner - located Livonia, MI 48154-1937 United States • Telephone: 313 608-7202 • Posted August 30, 2022

 

[Kent Ashton]

Seller Scovel above is on Ebay today, item   125489708856  More pics in the ad.  Decent price if it goes for $9K.  He probably has a lot more than that in it . . . plus his labor.  Ya know how they say when you want to sell your house, remove all the family photos and personal items so the buyers see visualize it with _their_ stuff?  🙂

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125489708856?

Edited September 1, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Kent Ashton]

Just talking to a chap about Long-EZ weights.  He really wanted a 750#  EZ.  I think they are rare.  In an AVWEB article, Terry Schubert, who knows as much as anybody, said that an O-235 EZ should weigh about 850# and an O-320 version about 1050#.   https://www.avweb.com/features/kitplanes-buying-a-used-long-ez/    I do not recall the weight of the O-320 EZ I built but 1080# seems to come to mind.  With an O-320 you would like likely lengthen the nose and put the battery up there.  That entails a run of heavy copper cable both ways, a starter, starter solenoids, maybe a backup battery too, then you use improved brakes and 500X5 tires,  heavier prop, tool kit, so that's how 750# turns into 1050# .  I do not know if Burt used a starter on his first Long-ez.

Yeah, a light Long-ez is great but the ability to takeoff and climb is determined by "excess power" over what is required for cruise flight.  I'm guessing that the cruise power required for an O-235 EZ versus an O-320 EZ are not too far apart but the higher HP is really handy for takeoff and climb.

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Marc Zeitlin]

2 hours ago, Kent Ashton said:

Just talking to a chap about Long-EZ weights.  He really wanted a 750#  EZ.  I think they are rare.  In an AVWEB article, Terry Schubert, who knows as much as anybody, said that an O-235 EZ should weigh about 850# and an O-320 version about 1050#.

So your chap is looking for something that doesn't exist. I've worked on or examined about 80 or so Long-EZ's, and I don't think I've ever seen one that even CLAIMED to weigh less than 830 lb., whatever the engine. And most W&B's are wrong on the low side - about 9 out of 10 planes that I do a W&B on weigh more than their current W&B claims. The lightest O-320 LE I've seen was about 850 lb. Most of the O-235's are between 850 - 925 lb, and most O-320's are between 930 - 1050, with some porkers up to 1100 lb.

Terry's estimate for the O-235's is a bit low, and for the O-320's a bit high.

[Kent Ashton]

Data point:  I must have missed this project but it seems to have sold for $7K Canadian, $5340 US.  Reported on the Cozybuilders list

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Hi all,

I am selling this COZY project.

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The project is going for $7,000.00 Canadian

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The canard and centre spar are completely finished.  The left wing with winglet is completed.  The right wing is done but the right winglet needs a bit more work before it can be installed.  The fuselage has the nose gear installed but not the main gear.  The engine nacelle and canopy plexiglass comes with the project.  There are numerous other smaller items that go with this project that would be included as well. It really is a good deal for anyone who wants to build and not start from scratch.  

 

[Kent Ashton]

Scovel reports selling his project a few posts back in this thread.  No price reported

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The Ft Worth EZ originally seen here at $24K relisted on B-stormers at $18K   https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?do=findComment&comment=85699

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The EZ with the Titan 379 seen here in June at $53K     https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?do=findComment&comment=84534    relisted today at $49K with new instrument panel.   2 pics.

Edited September 3, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Kent Ashton]

I do not know the status of this project with a big hole(s) cut in the centerspar.  The seller's pics do not show the holes.   I asked an experienced builder who said he thought they might be patched.   Yeah, maybe.  The cut-outs could certainly be replaced and glassed-over.  The EZ design is very strong and even more robust with strakes attached but the bending stress of the wing goes into the three wing bolts and then carried through that centerspar box (and the UNI cap strips) right.  A patch might work but it is not a trivial fix like patching a ding in a wing.

Do you suppose you would get some warning if the area of the patch began to overstress?  I would want to have that area exposed for inspection.

I speculate that the project's second owner did that.  I can't imagine an original builder thinking this was OK

Edited September 4, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Marc Zeitlin]

3 hours ago, mquinn6 said:

not certain of the stresses on the spar in that direction.  I am certain MarC has looked at this from a structures perspective.  I _think_ much of the load in that area is a webbing - but there might be aft and bending from pressure back on the wing (but I would hope little as that would indicate drag).  (I would have much preferred seeing a round hole...)

Unless I'm mistaken, I'm the "experienced builder" that Kent referenced. My position was that this is fixable, but only by an experienced composite repair person. But one could repair it in 2 - 3 simple cure cycles - it's NOT a complex repair.

What's going on here is that the shear web is removed - this would allow the top and bottom spar caps to deflect vertically at the outboard end of this region, without lengthening the bottom cap and shortening the top cap. You can see what will effectively happen here:This is a Long-EZ on which the shear web plies were installed 0-90, rather than 45-45. At 0-90, they have almost no shear strength, so are functionally equivalent to a large hole. This plane has experienced ~5G (the POH limit) and the spar shear web wrinkled (this deformation was NOT visible until the wing was removed for another reason).

If the hole in the web is repaired correctly, the spar in question would be at 100% strength.

As I also said to Kent, my main question wrt this plane (the one with the large rectangular hole in the shear web) is that if someone was stupid enough to cut that hole in the web, what other stupid things did they do that we CAN'T see.

[Marc Zeitlin]

57 minutes ago, Kent Ashton said:

Yes, you da man.  The warped EZ picture is quite amazing.  What did you do about that one?

Well, it was 7 years ago. The owner/builder bought the spar prefab from some unknown vendor lost in the mists of time - he didn't build it. I recommended cutting out a piece of the shear web so we could burn away the epoxy and see the fiber orientation (should be 45/45) and count the # of plies (I believe should be 6 plies in the web). He never sent them.

It was fairly obvious that the spar needed to be cut out and replaced - don't know if that ever happened - haven't heard anything from the owner since 2017.

[Marc Zeitlin]

1 hour ago, mquinn6 said:

Yikes!   I would be VERY nervous about the construction of the rest of the plane also!!!  Not to redesign the spar - but are most of the forces on a web in compression?  I guess the 45 shear takes care of it - as Burt designed it to.

The shear web fiber orientation is at 45/45 because that's the direction that the stress flows in a cantilever bending beam - when the tips are bending up, the top cap is in compression, the bottom cap is in tension, the fibers in the shear web that are pointing up and outboard are in compression and the fibers in the shear web that are pointing down and outboard are in tension.

[zolotiyeruki]

Not sure how this one slipped by me.  I must not have been checking my bookmarks:

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LONG EZE 1983 AIRCRAFT • $18,000 • FOR SALE • Long-EZ, 1983, N234SC, AFTT: 818.7, SMOH 875.7, Lycoming engine O235-C1, 115hp, Factory plans built by Dr. RC St Clair, Palmdale CA. Rudder mod, vortex generators, manual gear, assist step, nav/strobes. Icom A200 Com, Apollo GPS, Terra Txpr, PM 501 ICS, No ADS-B. Empty weight 783lbs, Gross weight 1425lbs. Always hangared, paint: 6, needs CI. Located KFWS, $18K OBO.Being offered as is where is.Leave msg.817-292-1984 Owner passed away, estate managing sale. Two owners, continuous logbooks. Birth and shakedown trials for Eze and Dr St Clair's actual plane diary included. • Contact Beatrice Wheeler , - located Ft Worth, TX 76133 United States • Telephone: 8172921984 • Posted September 2, 2022 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email Advertiser • Save to Watchlist • Report This Ad • View Larger Images

783 lbs sounds pretty light, compared to a lot of others I've seen listed.

[Kent Ashton]

I trimmed some posts in this thread to stick to sales and the damaged EZs.  The EZ just posted by Ammon was posted July 13 asking $24K.  Now $18K

[MachDiamond]

The Long EZ in the Dallas Forth Worth area that Kent posted in this thread on July 13th sold yesterday. The seller was first asking 24k and then dropped it to 18k a few weeks ago. Not sure what the final selling price was. Had an O-235 engine.

[zolotiyeruki]

The bright green painted Long was reposted today on Barnstormers for $45k.

[Kent Ashton]

Interesting today:  The quoted speed is not much different from a Mk IV but you get twice the hassle with two engines.  However the price seems reasonable with two low-time Rotaxes and CS prop.  Nicely done.

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MINI DEFIANT • $120,000 • ACCEPTING OFFERS • One off Rutan mini defiant, build 2013, 150h TTSN, engines 2x rotax 912 150TTSN, CS prop, 1000lbs empty and 1000lbs load. Basically a roomy cozy mk4 with 2 engines. 6-7ga Mogas/h at 155kts planed. Awesome craft flys like a long ez. Moving overseas. • Contact Wolfgang Huhn , Owner - located Blue Ash, OH 45241 United States • Telephone: 513-703-9567 • Posted September 9, 2022

 

[Kent Ashton]

I see that serial-refurbisher David Hanson is looking for the EZ with the hole in the spar (FB post below).  I wonder how he's going to fix it?

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Next, Terry Schubert's EZ is for sale.  N9TS with 4580 hours!   Said to be asking around $45K for it.  Terry was the long-time editor of the Central States Newsletter that became a reference doc. for canard owners and now archived at Canard Owners and Builders Assn. (COBA)  This has got to be sad moment for Terry.  Long-EZs have been his life's work.   Specs at the end of the video.

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Kent Ashton]

The cheap Cozy III from Aug 25   with damage history reported sold.  https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?do=findComment&comment=87765

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This EZ project in TN (3 pics).  No price yet.   Seller misunderstands the "major portion" rule.  😞

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Kent Ashton]

Here ya go,  Varieze today.  I suppose the asking price is fair.  The 6353 total time does not bother me but it must be some sort of world record.  The 1045 hour engine is mature.  Previous owners flew the heck out of it!

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VARIEZE • $27,500 • FOR SALE • Varieze 6453.1 Total Airframe. 1045.0 TSMOH. 203.6 STOH. 0-200-A. Catto 2 blade propeller. Aircraft is in great shape, took as trade and haven't flown much. Always hangered. Runs great. Need the hanger space. 321-615-1781 • Contact Hampton Lide - AV8 AIRCRAFT SERVICES , Friend of Owner - located Zeeland, MI 49464 United States • Telephone: 13216151781 • Posted September 12, 2022

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Marc Zeitlin]

3 hours ago, Kent Ashton said:

... The 6353 total time does not bother me...

I'm very skeptical of that #. That's over 150 hrs/year AVERAGE for >40 years. Even Mike Melvill's Long-EZ, which first flew in 1980 or so, has ~4800 hours on it, and Mike flew the crap out of it. Terry Schubert's LE is also in the high 4000 hour range, but damn few planes have gotten close to 4500 - 5000 hours. >6K hours isn't in my realm of possibility, particularly with multiple owners. Gotta be a typo or a misunderstanding of the logs - I'd love to see them... Could be wrong, but that's how I'd bet.

[Kent Ashton]

14 hours ago, Marc Zeitlin said:

I'm very skeptical of that #. That's over 150 hrs/year AVERAGE for >40 years

Duh!  You are right.  He must have misplaced a decimal

[Kent Ashton]

Been for sale for a couple years and posted May 6 at $40K.   No pics in the ad.  Seller only wants to speak to "serious buyers".  Maybe that's why he isn't selling.  Can you imagine a used car lot with a sign "serious buyers only"?   Jeesh.

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RUTAN LONG EZ AIRCRAFT • $36,000 • AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE SALE • Fly now, fly out condition, always hangered, serious buyers can request more information • Contact Don Black , Friend of Owner - located Carlsbad, CA 92008 United States • Telephone: Email Only • Posted September 13, 2022

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Kent Ashton

[Barry]

1 hour ago, Kent Ashton said:

Been for sale for a couple years and posted May 6 at $40K.   No pics in the ad.  Seller only wants to speak to "serious buyers".  Maybe that's why he isn't selling.  Can you imagine a used car lot with a sign "serious buyers only"?   Jeesh.

 

It's not just aircraft sellers. A lot of ignorant people trying to sell something with little description and no pictures. It always amazes me.

[Kent Ashton]

57 minutes ago, Barry said:

It's not just aircraft sellers. A lot of ignorant people trying to sell something with little description and no pictures. It always amazes me.

Yup.  I'm sure that for many people "serious only" says "Don't bother me for details, don't try to negotiate on the price, and have your financing already arranged."  It is just one of my pet peeves, of which there are many.  🙂  Hi, Barry.

[zolotiyeruki]

This showed up on FB: A 42-year-old airframe (no engine) for $6k

https://www.hangar67.com/aircraft/1978-rutan-varieze/19643

[Jon Matcho]

I just moved two new "for sale" posts out of this thread into their own topics:

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