Steve 1 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Been flying my Long EZ with the GU. Need to build a new Roncz and need plans. Any information would help. Steve saemley@earthlink.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jany77 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 i think raf still sells them if no i can make a copy for you just let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Nope! RAF does not sell them. I got one of the last back in Jan. of this year. They were closing it down at that time and could only fill my order with the items they still have on site. The only source that I am aware of is the Terf CD. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 1 Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Thanks for the news guys. I emailed and called RAF with no response and I was going to send a check for the canard and flush rudder belhorn planss to see if the order was filled or the check was sent back. If you have a set that is complete and legible, I would sure like to have a copy. Speaking of copy, is there a copyright still in effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 My understanding is the copyright is still in effect. The Terf CD is produced under an agreement with RAF. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynn Erickson Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Been flying my Long EZ with the GU. Need to build a new Roncz and need plans. Any information would help. Steve saemley@earthlink.net why, what do you think you will gain? Quote Evolultion Eze RG -a two place side by side-200 Knots on 200 HP. A&P / pilot for over 30 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 1 Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 The pitch down is excessive and in moderate rain can't be trimmed out. Heavy rain may be a real problem. I always turn away from the heavier stuff so I'm not sure how it will perform if I get caught. I added VG's and it helped some but is still questionable. I hope to gain pitch stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airnico Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 hello guys, terf cd contains the roncz canard plans, but there are no templates(or at least I was not able to find them on my cd), so how can you build a canard from that cd? regards nico Quote Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads. (Dr. Emmett Brown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynn Erickson Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 The pitch down is excessive and in moderate rain can't be trimmed out. Heavy rain may be a real problem. I always turn away from the heavier stuff so I'm not sure how it will perform if I get caught. I added VG's and it helped some but is still questionable. I hope to gain pitch stability. before I would build a new canard I would try checking the contour. some of the canards were built to be light and they sacrificed the shape. afraid to add to much filler. look closely at the spar cap area on the top, if it has even a slight flat spot it will dip in rain. the other is the trailing edge if there is any lip that is rolled up it will have an effect. there are many of those canards that fly fine in rain with no pitch change at all. there is nothing wrong with the airfoil but it needs to be built very accurate in contour. Quote Evolultion Eze RG -a two place side by side-200 Knots on 200 HP. A&P / pilot for over 30 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 1 Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 Thanks Lynn. I'm headed for the hangar in a few and will look for the telltales. While flying in rain, I see water droplets forming and swirling between max chord and the elevator cut out. The airfoil is pretty much a straight line there and fairly flat without much contour. I didn't build this plane and I don't have the templates but do have the original plans. If I can get some templates I could make a contour guage and fill the low areas wich micro? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagdamper Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hello all, I too need the contouring template for the Roncz Canard. I have bought a project with an unfinished Roncz, but the project came without the plans. I would like to see if the canard is worth saving or start fresh. I have the TERF CD's but all the drawings are pdf format and do not print full size, and the page with the contouring template has no measurements on it that I could use as a guide to enlarge it to the proper size. I would be happy to pay someone for their time and trouble for a copy of the High Performance Canard Plan Set. Curt http://lagdamper.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I would be happy to pay someone for their time and trouble for a copy of the High Performance Canard Plan Set.Hold tight... coming as part of the next Open-EZ update. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullikson Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Jon, Do you have an estimate when the next update will be out? I'm starting my 3rd EZ and sold my Roncz plans/templates with my last plane. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUE MAX Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Just to add a tidbit of information to this thread. I bought my Roncz canard from a 10th degree black belt master builder Dennis Oleman from Iowa. I paid him to build my canard and it came out so nice that it looks like it came out of a mold. It doesnt need much finishing to complete it. I have high res pictures of the canard if you want to see the detail. If you want to go that route instead of building I will give you his number. Quote Tom McCormick http://tomslongez.com Almost done the nose section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Do you have an estimate when the next update will be out?I apologize for the lack of communication and progress -- it's slow, but going. My day job is where I've been at the past several months. Keep asking and I'm sure it will come (unless I get too upset by those Open-EZ plans on ebay). I'm starting my 3rd EZ and sold my Roncz plans/templates with my last plane.Dennis was suggested, but I would also encourage everyone to take a look at www.eurekacnc.com for absolutely perfect and flawless wing and canard cores. They're available today and are so good they look like they came out of a machine (which they did of course). Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Correct me here is I am wrong: I am building a Cozy IV isnt the canard a Roncz canard just like the one on a Longeze? Maybe just different length and more fiberglass in the spar? When I built myLongeze I built the old gu canard. I only flew it in the rain once. It scared me so bad with an almost violent pitch down I never flew it in the rain again. Wouldnt Cozy IV templates work for building a Canard for a Longeze? I wonder if Spruce was approached if they would just sell that part of the Plans to a Longeze builder? My .02 build on STeve Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rviglierchio Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Jon, How's progress on your plane? Have you gotten to the canopy yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Jon, How's progress on your plane? Right now, stopped.Have you gotten to the canopy yet?No. Any particular reason why you ask about that part? Business has been sooo busy these past few months, but looking to create a schedule for canard building in the near future. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rviglierchio Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I need to replace mine and am collecting experiences and photos of the process. I bought a second hand canopy (new but never installed) off the forums and it got here today in pieces.... Hope Fed Ex lives up to their promises. And I hope you get back to your build soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 And I hope you get back to your build soon!Same here. I'm cleaning up shop -- need to get 2 airplanes worth of foam out of the way... and just get off my dime! Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SULLY_H60 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 An easy solution to the Roncz canard issue is to use the TERF CD for the plans and Eureka CNC for the core. His cores are excellent and cost $200 for the Long EZ. His website talks about the subtle differences between the Long and Cozy canard. http://www.eurekacnc.com/Home.htm The GU has always exhibited flow seperation with leading edge contamination, bugs, rain etc. The vortelons correct some perfectly and others not so much. Building the Roncz with Eureka cores will give you and education in the build process and with a request also probably get an experienced builder to help you along. If the GU pitches enough to scare you in light rain, do yourself a favour and build the Roncz for the experience and the peice of mind. Good luck! PM me if you are having trouble locating the Roncz plans and I will see if I can point you in the right direction. There was talk about posting them on the Open EZ area as well. Peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfryer Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I received my roncz cores from eureka today and compared them to a cad drawing I have worked on. They are a near exact match. So I will share with you all what I have now that I have some backup that the scaling is correct. I welcome folks to check these out and let me know if there are any changes that should be suggested. Roncz.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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