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I just want to make the point here that Lynns has been in OPERATION for YEARS and they WORK...Not to take away from others installations...but just pointing out a proven direction to take. Thanks Lynn for posting your pics here. Lynn was nice enough a while back, to let me follow his lead, and here is a pic of mine operating. And a pic closed.

I respectfully submit...That is not so...I have added 8-3/8" to my nose and this is a picture of it with the nose gear completely retracted, so I could determine the shape for my aluminum parking skid. ...no skid installed in this pic..will raise nose a bit higher yet. In the pic you can see the ''pitot pal'' receiver as the little black object frontmost. I favor this pitot over others as one can remove the actual pitot tube part and keep people from stepping on your pitot tube when parked nose down. The other two pics are showing the removable tube. With a removable tube you can pretty easily make sure the thing is clean, at least the business end. I will buff out a couple of these so that they look like chrome & have a couple spares in the map pocket.

Your question is like an echo in a canyon. There are no Deltahock engines. No Innodyn engines, no Mistral engines, no...you get the idea. Promises without production...look up the disgusted threads-despite peoples claims of seeing these various bigfoots at OshKosh...they are myth. Oh, and Thielert -if they really are viable in the 200hp ramge- won't sell to experimentals. Man, I hate to be the cold water.

Man, those 3's are sure convenient.=] A while back I went without any food at all- just a little bit of water every 3-4 hours, for 3 full 24 hour days..and felt okay. It was just a "thing" of mine... Not carrying on high calorie workload just once a day bike trainer for 45 mins and medium intensity weightlifting...but I wouldn't want to try it without water...felt pretty dang empty in there.

Thats not just roomy- its the Taj Mahal! Very good! Thats something that I should add to, is my lighting. You have good lighting.

Nope, my wife is in the background. Shes the one wearing the glasses just over my shoulder. You can't see her costume. .....actually my wife IS blond. But shorter hair and curvier. From the pictures I posted on the other forum, this mistake could be understood. Mike...somebody take the mike....

Catwoman...is................catwoman. Fact is, theres about 20 catwoman's at every Comicon. Fun place! Kind of like Renn Faires. Even when the Catwomen hang around...If one is married one does not NOT take names of the ''catwomen" or phone #'s. Bad form. Somebody take the mike....

Right on,, Andrew.

I just woke up -put on my long pants and turned the heater on out in the garage...came in to see what robinsons response to my post would be... BRAVO! Mr robonson217! Just the tack I hoped you would be on this morning....headed upwind..pretty close to it, I might add. You might sheet out just a bit as Andrew is pointing towards[maybe an roughfielder capable plane is a better idea]...but BRAVO...great spirit. Now you just have to SUSTAIN that spirit for several years! After you have sustained that course, built your plane, and rounded the buoy, its a blistering broad reach to your goal... We wish you all kinds of stamina and success! BTW, my age says I am an old fart...but my body is going to be scaling El Cap in Yosemite at the end of this Summer..so I have a few ideas ahead for myself.

I am raising my hand. You fit the bill. Certifiable. So was Mike Melville. Loons. I would spend an hour to an hour and a half crossing the baha water at 11k feet but only because the exposure is only about a half hour regarding not being able to reach land. Thats just me and my comfort level. Go rent a 172 and head out for an hour past the horizon off southern calif and extrapolate that feeling into your ''mission''. Is the bacon saver enough to make you comfortable? You have spent 6 years building the Cozy [not the 172] and you are ready to possibly commit it to Davey Jones regarding the mission risk? Did anyone you care about fly with you at this risk? Heck, buy a friggin' 269.00 round trip commercial flight to Oahu. Wait till you have been sweating your tiny hairs off for 3 or 4 years building a fine Cozy IV and then examine your willingness to possibly throw it away....wow? I think your perspective will change as you build. And... The BRS idea is going to be installed WHERE in the Cozy? Who is going to design the restructuring of the fuse with the center loading the BRS will impose on the center of the airframe? How much will this cost to find out it isn't the best of ideas? Professionals have rolled their eyes here about the BRS idea. Throw a bunch of money at the idea and see if they are wrong. But then, that what explorers are all about- pushing limits. Are you that type? You look like a healthy young man, maybe you are. Me- I am 50 and an old fart, so I have a different perspective.=]

I agree Kraig-well said. Their parts are much better than Brocks used to be. I know Nat gave all the dimensions for most metal parts in the plans, but buying some nicely made parts is worth the savings of time, in my mind- and a guy doesn't end of with Frankenstein looking assemblies getting into his airplane because he can't bear to throw them away..

I saw this a while ago and was amazed that they wanted 15grand for a 4 cyl Lycoming setup. A LOT of petrol gotta be saved to warrant this as a cost saver...but I am too lazy to math out the break even point. Now Jack M. has a liquid system on his 540 and he uses it at altitude. He uses alcohol as well, and although his bird flys a little swervingly up there when its on this juice. I would say theres no sky-cops yet to pull him over, so he's in the clear. I just read this back to myself and it bears pointing out that the bird is using the alcohol at altitude- not Jack.

I don't know what possessed the girrrlz to record-skip into the canard products scene...but everybody that is building a canard airplane needs to support their decision and buy from them. They have singlehandedly saved our communities bacon. [read; big daddy Spruce didn't fill the needed void-just bought up Brocks old inventory- and basically said,"when its gone, its gone"] So everybody..frequent the girrrls online establishment and buy your hardware from them when they offer that part-instead of AS&S, etc. Lets speak our appreciation with our wallets.

I am very envious of your jumping ability. I plan on doing a tandem from 13k this summer, so as to understand the feeling. I hope it doesn;\'yT grow on me.

Marc, the accident stats are very informative to all prospective builders and those of us who are hook-line-and-sinkered into building this aircraft. I am the biggest drawback to my airplanes safety [thats I, the pilot]- some guys shortchange the planes safety during the build before even becoming the pilot. I am trying to stick with work that is within bounds of what we have talked about off-list and I with other, I would say professionals in the canard world. I think MY work will be becoming a very proficient pilot and transitioning properly into the high performance airplane that this is. It pains me to have to build to at least 80+ hours in a spam can- but thats what I need to do...under a lot of varying conditions. Yea, I will look forward to the future and cruising past the standard GA craft even if this plane is par for the safety GA course. When I first watched the canard posts- I was so out of it..Some guy said he was thinking about building an RV, and I thought- Dangggg, thats quite a choice that boy is considering..I didn'y even know there were garage built Winnebagos available. Head-slap, what a "rube". But there is something to that RV stuff...they send out two kits a day- the claim is....YOW! ...Must be cuz theirs no queezinart in the back- everybodys thinkin about hoppin out of the plane like TMann!

Marc, Whaaaaaa? Whaaaat? I have been under a false ASSumtion all of this time. Wheres the For sale thread here on this list? My project might be up for sale. Maybe this new guy wants it.... Maybe Rick Maddy saw this light? Maybe thats why Dick Rutan is flying a 152 lately?..... Maybe an RV? Maybe they are safer?

I'm not sure who the finger here is pointed at..but since I seem to be the detractor, I will answer for me. 1.Certainly during testing... but I don't think beyond the first 10 hours, I will have to check the schedule of procedures and after the mundane flights start occurring to just get to the 40th- no chute. A future question is, Where does one rent a slim-line style parachute- or maybe that a 800.00 purchase I hadn't thought of before.. 2.No air combat testing...With a 540, the flybys will be incredibly fast [i loved my ride in Chris E's when out of the corner of my eye I saw 226 kts on his speedo....the pullup was butt flattening- oh yea!...but thats going to be pretty much it as far as maneuvers... 3.Who the heck am I going to formation fly with? 4. Not planning on Acrobatics...I do that during Pilates and Yoga...but for Aerobatics-Not entring that arena, except rolls and immelmans, so will decide on that. That will not be at gross. So thats me...I obviously have a different set of mission objectives than you Longeze drivers. I am pretty sure most all of us Cozy pilots have near the same. My earlier point about getting the family to vacate the piper...is to illustrate the "out-of-the-ordinariness" of what you guys are writting about. All this talk about leaving the airplane behind is so far from normalcy as to cast a burden on our canards. We are flying FAR SAFER aircraft than what GA would have us pile our families into, and new folks reading these pages might get the slant that your Top Gun desires translate into a possible NEED, and it is NOT. Is this where I insert the smiley icon now? Its just that the beauty of the Cozy aircraft is in their safety record...I LOVE IT that I will be able to fly my wife and friends safely and quickly for travel, and thumb my nose at the time shackling normal commercial airline travel scenario. The flight stories of Longeze and Cozy drivers overtaking normal GA aircraft or expensive twins flying along side or below them is just a treat. The fact that we do it in stall and spin resistant machines of our own creation that are far safer is the icing on the cake. All that is left in the equation is weather amd pilot judgement...and that is a different can-o-nutz.

You asked for advice... Advice one: Forget the webpage. Build instead. Theres a lot of guys with embarrassing webpages. Why?......because they didn't do squat. They got all excited about "building the airplane" and equated that hand in hand with the producing the "webpage"...and didn't remember to build something physical out in the garage. They finished their bulkheads and got the sides on the "tub" and.....listen to their wife moan about "that thing out in the garage that takes up my parking space, for the last 5 years". So, keep your digital photographs and after a year or two, worry about a webpage when you can actually feel like you are a builder. Most everybody dies at chapter 10 or 11...so if you get past there, you can crow about something.[the published rate is 80% don't finish and fly**] Advice two: Find somebodies project that they abandoned at the above sticking point and get it from them..it will cost you no more than what the parts cost..probably much less....you will save a ton of time...and be ahead a year to two years in the construction. Advice three: Build the airplane...build the airplane....build the..... **thats why around here it pays to give high regard to and listen to the fellows who actually have built and are FLYING their airplanes...everybody else is somewhere down the ladder. My .06 cents.=]

Hey Marc, I talked to Larry of VariProp and he didn't have any info on people flying any of his props yet. He said lots are sold, and a VariEzE has one being installed real soon, but no feedback. I think the machinery really looks substatial...quality stuff. What is your view on it? One remark he made was it is all built to FAA standards and requirements. It uses a hydraulic slave cylinder in the prop and a master cylinder mounted anywhere else one cares to, in the aircraft. It has a standard dial control on the I.P for feathering that enters the amount into a small computer which regulates the hydraulics and blades. Weight is 39# at the prop. [Whats a MT weigh?] The VP2 was built using a IO360 with high compression pistons, and he says, "If it can withstand that kind of vibration- it'll work on anything". Out the door price is 7995.00. It sounds interesting. MT's are about 14 grand. Yow!

This sounds well and good until you bring Jason's reoccurring theme to these flight ops...and that is getting your wife and two kids or backseat friends, to all do the same and exit the aircraft.... In fact trying to get everyone on the family trip to see Grams and Gramps in the 172 do the same to exit the aircraft due to an "emergency" **doesn't track to well. Heck, If my wife is complaining about wearing a headset cuz it will muff up her coif...I dunna think the parachute thing is gonna fly to well with her..=] IMO, the whole family isn't going to don 'chutes to go for that 100 buck burger at Harris Ranch...or see Gramps, or anywheres for that matter. I guess you guys are talking about during testing phases. Oh, and I did hear from reputable sources that upon entering the atmosphere, you won't immediately become prop fodder...you and the plane are going to part company amicably...Tmann illustrated the concept admirably. **BTW, In the effort of planning for "every friggin' contingincy", just what kind of emergency are we talking about to get the whole family outside to collectively River Dance out on the wing...=/

I think it was the way you put the question. Pretty absurd given several hundred have been flying since the early eighties, and are parked in the sun for years regularly.A quick search of archives about various questions can answer most questions without sounding ridiculous. I'm not trying to be fussy..just making an observation.

I have heard of a few guys ommiting the step-or a step of any kind. Thought about it at one time also. I have asked myself..."Self, How are people that are the size of 5-6" or less going get up on the strake to get in the backseat or over the "gunwale" if I have to step, without marking up the side of the fuselage"? You have this figured out, so whats the sitch? Odds are theres going to be somebody who isn't as tall as you entering your plane. I've flown quite a lot in a MarkIv, and the step seems pretty darn useful.

This is just to go on record that given the past...the observation should be made that I had nothing to do with the direction this post has taken... and Chrissi only made an observation., so she has no reproach. Others have proven perfectly capable of thread "entropy";)

My flame suit is on.. What would be the drawback to my thinking here? What my inclination to do upon hearing of the sump location under the spar..was to keep the plans valve and location, but connect that to that sump and then take the feeder line through the FW to the fuel pump from there. I didn't want to throw away the plans valving, I just wanted to add the 3+gal of extra fuel said to be in the under-spar location.. This seems so reasonable to me that there must be some obvious catastrophic reason it won't work or is not a good idea. ??????????????????????

I mocked up my strakes and elbow strake additions, to see if the plans step location would work...Its not optimal. I was going to just redo[my plans wood mount is set] the plans step forward 6 inches but am toying with the Zeitlin/Hicksian Retract-a-rama design...Tho mine would be in yet a bit different place, so as to lessen interfering with the storage under the seat...I think I will be going with a piece of UHMW [instead of metal to metal] as the bored sleeve at the exterior fuselage connection to promote smooth operation/lack of possible corrosion? Maybe it is overkill. What does the group think about moisture getting in here at this point and fouling the slide-action at this point?