Kent Ashton Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) I see that the Cozy III project in post #142 did not sell. Bidding only went to about $1300. I don't know why sellers start the bidding at $100 when their reserve is in the thousands. It just wastes everybody's time. For an ebay sale, I would state my reserve in the ad or start the bidding just below the reserve, or just use a "make offer" ad. I have bought a lot of junk on Craigslist over the years but when the seller doesn't put a price on his item, or a car-seller doesn't list the milage, I don't waste time on them. "Serious Only!" :-) Cozy III on B-stormers yesterday. I bet some nice graphics would help to sell it. For reference: N89MC Edited February 20, 2018 by Kent Ashton Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Was in touch with the seller. he said that a person who previously inspected this project got in touch with him and told him about the epoxy. Thats when the seller switched the ad to "for parts" Is there a way to tell if Vinyl resin was used? I’m going to look at the plane tomorrow and look through all the paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Is there a way to tell if Vinyl resin was used? I’m going to look at the plane tomorrow and look through all the paperwork. Here's what the current owner told me: "He said the builder acquired the wing spar and fuselage already complete by someone who started the project. The builder then told him that he used the vinylester throughout the rest of the project." I'd say that's a pretty good indication that vinylester resin was, in fact, used. Given what Gary Hunter says about Vinylester curing in thin layers (using standard epoxy techniques) quoted by Kent in post #146 above, I would argue that this plane is a candidate for a chainsaw and that it's good for parts only (where parts is anything OTHER than the structure). It MAY be worth buying, given that, considering the asking price. I certainly wouldn't fly in it. I do not, for the life of me, understand why people do things like this... 5 - 10 years of work for nothing, to save what - $300? Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 A Cozy IV project with $43,000 of materials and 1000 hours of labor for #13,000. No, this is not a scam. See post #93 http://www.canardzone.com/forum/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?p=60354 and Craigs post today where he is selling this project. http://www.canardzone.com/forum/topic/31643-cozy-iv-project-for-sale/ I saw this one a good many years ago and the workmanship was very good. I'm sure Craig continued that. A deal doesn't come any better than that. I will give my loyal readers a day to move on this deal, then just buy it and store it for my heirs or keep it for a spare airplane. Not too often you can buy dollars for 20 cents each. :-) Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Looking at the airplane and paperwork it appears the wings were built using EZpoxy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Getting behind. Saw several new ones today. This Varieze. Reasonably priced, I'd say Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 And this Berkut. They are a little rich for my blood. If someone gave me a project I wouldn't turn it down though :-) Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 This Cozy IV project in Milwaukee. Lots done on it and it all looks pretty good. Going for less than the price of materials, I'd think ($7000 or less). He appears to have used real epoxy--that's a plus. :-) Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Re the Milwaukee project above Cozy 4 project for sale serial # 915 I am selling my project because life has changed for me. I have a project that has many hours of labor and materials invested. This is an opportunity for someone to get a jump start on a cozy 4. Pictures are available on this link.https://www.snapfish.com/photo-gift/share?via=link&token=RoxcHSOydO8SFCjlYXZmrw/AUS/27947303691070/SNAPFISH More pictures could be made available. Project is in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Included for sale: Complete plans serial number 915, built with MGS epoxy Fuselage tub complete with landing Break installed Main landing gear reinforced and installed into fuselage Two front landing struts Wheels and brakes (NOT) included,have axles and set of tires and tubes to use while under construction Have a set of wheel pants Canard and elevators complete, canard not installed Castoring fork assembly (Not included) Steve Wright electric retract with circuit board, Nose not finished, have material to finish Turtleback not done, have material to finish Todd Silver canopy and side windows Rudder and brake pedals Nose wheel with tire Center section spar completed, Not installed Wings and ailerons completed with hidden bellhorn conduit installed Wings lined up and line bored to main spar Winglets built not installed, rudder not cut out Strakes and fuel tanks not started, have fuel caps Have glass and foam to complete project, 2 Full rolls of bid, Full roll of UND One roll peel ply Complete set of cozy newsletters Also have miscellaneous hardware and tools, electric level, fien tool, epoxy pump, brushes, mixing cups, some epoxy, out of date Would like to sell as project not piece by piece asking $7000 OBO Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 This ERacer today. I have to scratch my head at an ad like this. First, he says it's on the gear but the pics do not show that. It has four pics but two are the same. Says "all major parts built" but strakes and winglets are pretty major--where are they? No pic or information on the turboprop included. On top of that he's asking a lot for a project, turbo engine or not. I was just reading an article on selling bikes. The writer said when a seller posts pics of bike in the corner of the garage surrounded by a bunch of junk, pass it by. However, there's a buyer for everything if the price is right. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 No pic or information on the turboprop included...What Turboprop? There's no mention in the ad? Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It's mentioned in the title of the ad, but not the body, and you'd think it be worthy of a pic or mention in the ad. Also, Kent, thanks for the mention of my project! I'm still not sure what relevance the EZPoxy reference has, although I' thought Dennis' wings were build using MGS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macleodm3 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I'm still not sure what relevance the EZPoxy reference has, although I' thought Dennis' wings were build using MGS. That post mentioning EZ Poxy is not referring to your aircraft project for sale... it is referring to a different project in earlier posts that may have had some portion built using vinylester resin. Also... Dennis used different epoxies at different times. He built my canard... one of the last ones he built.... and he used EZ Poxy. Quote Andrew Anunson I work underground and I play in the sky... no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Today's B-stormers. Have we seen this Defiant project before? Probably. Fully priced for this market, I would say. He's trying to recoup his cost of materials. Good luck with that! :-) Edited March 3, 2018 by Kent Ashton Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Seen on a FB page. Just listed a couple days ago. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Pretty low price on this Varieze today. However, the inside looks like it might have been a flying airplane at one time. If so, that complicates things: you might not be able to get a Repairman's Certificate if one has already been issued. It could be re-registered if you can establish the old N-number and get the old Operating Limitations from the FAA. Judging by the dust on the engine, it has been sitting a while. Just speculating. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Pretty low price on this Varieze today. However, the inside looks like it might have been a flying airplane at one time. If so, that complicates things: you might not be able to get a Repairman's Certificate if one has already been issued. It could be re-registered if you can establish the old N-number and get the old Operating Limitations from the FAA. I agree - it's fairly obviously been a flying airplane that was built a long time ago, and not advertised as such. The interior (as you state) and the residual paint on the ends of the main spars give it away. Depending upon how honest one was, this would complicate getting the RC ONLY if the new owner NEW what "N" number the plane had been issued previously and tried to re-register it with that "N" number AND the RC had been issued for that plane. This sort of nonsense happens all the time - someone buys a basket case and makes believe that they built the whole plane. How would the FSDO/DAR know? I do not, in any way, advocate this sort of monkey business, but it happens... There's no issue getting the AC as EAB either way, though, since a VE is obviously a plans built plane and there's no evidence that it was built professionally - the new owner just has to sign the affidavit of it being amateur built. What would worry me, though, is that if the current seller isn't telling the whole story of what the plane is (another thing that happens all the time) then what else are they not telling you? Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 There's no issue getting the AC as EAB either way, though, since a VE is obviously a plans built plane and there's no evidence that it was built professionally - the new owner just has to sign the affidavit of it being amateur built. Yeah but I would think it unlikely that the current owner does not know the N-number, even if painted over. With that, a FSDO will replace the lost AC. see p. 2-17 here https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/8130.2G.pdf Then you can get the existing Ops Limits reissued or apply for updated ones. I imagine a Repairman's Certificate was issued so the buyer couldn't get that. I am sure the FAA would not want to issue a new/second AC on the same airframe An RV-6 near me was donated to a local museum by a chap afraid of seller's liability. It was never supposed to fly again: engine removed, wires cut. A couple of years later it shows up at my airport all prettied up and flying again. I suppose the musuem sold it and the new owner just reapplied for a lost AC. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Yeah but I would think it unlikely that the current owner does not know the N-number, even if painted over. With that, a FSDO will replace the lost AC... Yeah, you're missing my point :-). Some folks WANT to get the RC for an airplane, so if the airframe conveniently "disappeared" and then "parts" were salvaged to build a new plane, the new plane could be AC'd, registered and an RC could be issued. Legal? Eh. Does it happen? A lot, as you pointed out. In either case (at least if you want updated OL's, depending upon what FSDO/DAR you use) you'll still need an inspection for the AC/OL's, and even if you didn't, the small cost of the inspection is worth a lot to folks if they can get an RC on an otherwise "brand new" airplane. Whether the current owner knows what the registration of the airplane may or may not have been previous to his acquisition, my working assumption is that he's representing this airplane as having never before BEEN an airplane. But a phone call would determine that, if I gave a FF... Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Been away; catching up today. If you have never taken a Viking river cruise, I highly recommend. Book early to get 2-for-1 pricing and free airfare. The service is superb. After landing at your Euro destination you never handle your bags again, meals are gourmet, tour guides are excellent, Viking shuttles you into the city on its own busses. It's just a danged nice experience. Anyway . . . This Cozy in Georgia recently (below). See, now this is how you build an airplane and save big, He probably has $10-15K in it at this point and you get 1000 hours of labor at 2 cents/hr. Who says slavery has been outlawed! Looks pretty good so far. And this Varieze with no pics and no price. Beg for them. :-( Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 Two today: First, Long-EZ N974EZ with zero-time O-320--I guess you get to be the test pilot there. I thought we'd seen this one but went back through the posts and no. It needs some updating, a modern prop and maybe wheel pants. Nothing wrong with this airplane that I can see but with so many nice ones around that are IFR and need very little . . . Also a 200 hour Quickie-1 with a massive 25 hp Kohler! I wonder what that was like to fly. :-) It is out of registration and I could not find an N-number for this one. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 Saw this one on a FB page. Fairly complete with O-235 in Florida. No price http://www.n44tj.me Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 This Cozy III today. I would not do a tilt-up canopy. The only advantage I can see is entry from both sides of the airplane but many installations appear heavier than a stock canopy due to heavier mounting hardware and mounts and they block vision when taxiing. A person may say "Oh, I can see through the center", then he taxis over a chock or ground point depression he missed. I don't want my tongue to dry out, either. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Won’t open by accident in flight or on takeoff roll. Easy to work on cockpit and instrument panel from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) This Varieze today: Seller does not appear to be the builder. He has several other airplanes but no Varieze registered. Could be N4156W. It'd be interesting to see the BMW engine installation. He also calls it a "one seater http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=4156W He says "serious inquiries please" yet posts no pics and it is fully priced. Ha! Serious sellers only! Interesting that a search for Vari-eze/Varieze at the FAA registry turns up 797 airplanes. More than I would have expected. Edited April 17, 2018 by Kent Ashton Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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