Big Steve Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Well I just bought my ticket to go to Rough River I am very excited. It would be more fun to fly my own plane instead of going commercial but That is the way it is for a few more years. Who else is going? Some of the things I want to accomplish while there. 1. Sit in a finished cozy IV ( I have never seen one in the flesh yet) 2. Scope out noses, Canopies cowlings. 3. Decide on rudder pedals. 4. Meet other builders 5. If I am lucky get a ride. 6. Have a great time checking out canard aircraft. Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Steve, how'd you do? Let me guess... you had a good time? www.roughriver.org/2007 Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Would appreciate any feedback from anyone who made it this year. I was stuck at home. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtdox Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 We drove down on Saturday morning. It was the first time my brother and I had seen a cozy up close. Got to sit in two different cozys. Definately a snug fit if you are over 200 pounds. The biggest problem was my long legs didn't fit under the IP very well. Couldn't even get my feet on the pedals in the first one but fit much better in the second one. Everyone was very friendly and willing to answer questions. I enjoyed the presentations in the morning but we left about 2:00 so I didn't get to see anything in the afternoon. Sorry I missed out on the famous chili. I was too busy looking at airplanes to eat!!! We came away very impressed with the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Gifford Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 It was great. Weather was outstanding, we had a huge tent courtsey of RR (Nick got it delivered and reserved). About the same number of canards as last year (60-70) but about double the number of spam cans. Nick arranged the forums wiring, diesels, Marc's prop failure and solution, Dust hands on hot wiring with a spring loaded saw, etc. CG Products was there showing a special Long-EZ control system that is silky smooth and tight, etc. I guess you not being there kept away the rain... ;-} Quote Nathan Gifford Tickfaw, LA USA Cozy Mk IV Plans Set 1330 Better still --> Now at CH 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I guess you not being there kept away the rain... ;-}Ah ha! Your science is off. I missed the year before as well -- the year with all the rain. Must be someone else doing it. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplafleur Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Well I just bought my ticket to go to Rough River I am very excited. It would be more fun to fly my own plane instead of going commercial but That is the way it is for a few more years. Who else is going? Some of the things I want to accomplish while there. 1. Sit in a finished cozy IV ( I have never seen one in the flesh yet) 2. Scope out noses, Canopies cowlings. 3. Decide on rudder pedals. 4. Meet other builders 5. If I am lucky get a ride. 6. Have a great time checking out canard aircraft. Hey Steve, (the guy with the wigwam tent) Thanks for helping Greg and I set up our tent at 6am Friday. We had a great time this year. It is nice to waste the night driving instead of the day. This way, we got a few hours sleep Friday morning and got to relax during the day, watching everyone come in. Quote Mike LaFLeur - Cozy MkIV #1155N68ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Clifford Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Hey Steve, (the guy with the wigwam tent) Thanks for helping Greg and I set up our tent at 6am Friday. We had a great time this year. It is nice to waste the night driving instead of the day. This way, we got a few hours sleep Friday morning and got to relax during the day, watching everyone come in. Mike,,,,,You work WAY TOO many hours! What you should have done is take Thursday off, arrive Thursday at 1700, set up camp,,,,go out to dinner, then sit back relaxed and watch everyone come in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplafleur Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Mike,,,,,You work WAY TOO many hours! What you should have done is take Thursday off, arrive Thursday at 1700, set up camp,,,,go out to dinner, then sit back relaxed and watch everyone come in! Greg had just driven in from Canada for work and I had to get a new module tested for business we are trying to win from GM. Funny you should say. Last night I felt guilty for leaving only after 10 hours. Quote Mike LaFLeur - Cozy MkIV #1155N68ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverquit Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Greg had just driven in from Canada for work and I had to get a new module tested for business we are trying to win from GM. I drove up the driveway at Mike's. What a sight... Oily t-shirt, jeans, pouring grease trap sludge through two big filter bags. He was preparing dinner for the Mercedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverquit Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 This year Rough River was a blast! Remi had his usual sadistic humor. I just make myself wide open every year for his crosshairs. He kept us all hydrated with plenty of beer and water all weekend. -Thanks Remi John's PA/DJ system was perfect. Cool background music. All 16 minutes of Inagoddadavida. Not too loud. Everyone's stuff was laid out at the picnic tables for sale. This year there was more food than anyone could eat except Nathan's great chili. That went fast. Planes were going non-stop carring passengers. It was great. The sun really brings out the best in people. After 4 years I finally got my ride in Steve Wright's famed Stagger-EZ. He let me fly it most of the time while he put on a demo for the new Blue Mountain box. You can fly 0-0 with that thing right to runway. The coolest plane I saw this year was an 18hp lawn mower/generator 2 cylinder driven Quickie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Clifford Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 This year Rough River was a blast! Remi had his usual sadistic humor. I just make myself wide open every year for his crosshairs. He kept us all hydrated with plenty of beer and water all weekend. -Thanks Remi John's PA/DJ system was perfect. Cool background music. All 16 minutes of Inagoddadavida. Not too loud. Everyone's stuff was laid out at the picnic tables for sale. This year there was more food than anyone could eat except Nathan's great chili. That went fast. Planes were going non-stop carring passengers. It was great. The sun really brings out the best in people. After 4 years I finally got my ride in Steve Wright's famed Stagger-EZ. He let me fly it most of the time while he put on a demo for the new Blue Mountain box. You can fly 0-0 with that thing right to runway. The coolest plane I saw this year was an 18hp lawn mower/generator 2 cylinder driven Quickie. Glad everyone had a good time. I wanted to go but would have lost two days building and the goal now is to get flying!!!I remember seeing the Quicky back in my youth in Popular Mechanix I think it was. I believe they called for an Onan back then...I'd do a Honda now for sure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Gifford Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Ah ha! Your science is off. I missed the year before as well -- the year with all the rain. Must be someone else doing it.Well the other thought on that issue was the fact that Nick had secured that big tent kept the rain away. If that theory holds we won't have any rain for the next few years... The only other unusual thing was all the baseball talk. I don't know what the final score was but there were many discussions about pitching and catching... Quote Nathan Gifford Tickfaw, LA USA Cozy Mk IV Plans Set 1330 Better still --> Now at CH 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverquit Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 That's it! An Onan! I was talking with Colby Farmer about it. He gave me a bit of history about the plane. It had a great put-put-put sound. Beautiful lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Gifford Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 It was something watching that guy put the throttle to firewall. It flew and appeared to fly quite well, though the sound of those 18 horses could not be heard far from the gas pumps... Quote Nathan Gifford Tickfaw, LA USA Cozy Mk IV Plans Set 1330 Better still --> Now at CH 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I wonder how many GPH that Quickie sees? WARNING -- beware of time about to be lost. Here are all the pictures from RR2007 that I know of, by photographer: Bruce Layne (same as posted earlier) Terry Lamp Richard Hughes Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egsavage Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Ah ha! Your science is off. I missed the year before as well -- the year with all the rain. Must be someone else doing it. Yes, it was good... But if I recall correctly Jon, you INTENDED to go in 2006, correct? Maybe that was enough for mother nature to throw the rain that way! Quote --Ed Savage Cozy Mark IV #1032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Yah, best intentions 2006, but I think the "tent theory" is most accurate right now. I tried to book commercial tickets for 2008 on Sunday. Continental was only accepting reservations through August 2008. Gonna have to wait another month. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverquit Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Forgot to mention this... There was a Burt Rutan video Saturday night where Burt's team mounted a "rejected" canard on an A-frame by the lift tabs. Two guys places 25 lb shot bags one at a time on each end. They kept doing it until the canard snapped. Correct me if I'm inaccurate but the canard flexed up to 11.5 and 12.5 inches with over 800 lbs on each end before it snapped. Flick was like watching corn grow for those outside the canard community but we watched as if it were a magic trick. Burt was trying to prove the shear strength under max G-load. It turned out the strength was four times the amount you could ever get out of the plane. Great to know and tell passengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Gifford Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 It was an old video, but the canard did not snap until it was past 13Gs. In case you missed it, that was a canard that had dry weave. Burt went on to say he hoped the guy whose canard they rejected wasn't in the audience...but...it was good the canard was rejected because with time the weave would move around and weaken. Quote Nathan Gifford Tickfaw, LA USA Cozy Mk IV Plans Set 1330 Better still --> Now at CH 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplafleur Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 It was an old video, but the canard did not snap until it was past 13Gs. In case you missed it, that was a canard that had dry weave. Burt went on to say he hoped the guy whose canard they rejected wasn't in the audience...but...it was good the canard was rejected because with time the weave would move around and weaken.It snapped 1 bag short of 14G's. Quote Mike LaFLeur - Cozy MkIV #1155N68ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Hicks Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 The Canard Pusher article, "Testing a Canard to Failure", can be found at this link. If the link doesn't work, it's CP #45, page 3. Dale Martin (LEZ, Lewiston, ID) has the original video tape (since he was the one who taped it). The only canard that really truly failed was the first one at 13.2 G's. The original LEZ canard and Melville's GU canard twisted and the weights fell off...... At or above 16 G's approx...... Quote Wayne Hicks Cozy IV Plans #678 http://www.ez.org/pages/waynehicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 ...... keeping in mind we are talking G loads for a Long-EZ. Obviously there is a bit of a discrepancy between the gross load weights of a Long-EZ vs. A Cozy or Aerocanard Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverquit Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I remember Burt saying somewhere in the "middle" of the test, "this is like two people standing on each end." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplafleur Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 The Canard Pusher article, "Testing a Canard to Failure", can be found at this link. If the link doesn't work, it's CP #45, page 3. Dale Martin (LEZ, Lewiston, ID) has the original video tape (since he was the one who taped it). The only canard that really truly failed was the first one at 13.2 G's. The original LEZ canard and Melville's GU canard twisted and the weights fell off...... At or above 16 G's approx...... I remember quite clearly that it failed at bag number 69, because we laughed about it not being a number we would forget. Burt stated that each row of ten 25lb bags was 2 G's. Therefore this was one bag short of 14 G's. This was the one that snapped, not the one that twisted and bent the tabs. Quote Mike LaFLeur - Cozy MkIV #1155N68ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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