Armilite Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Hello: I heard the plans were available for around $500-$600. Is that true? Who has them for sale? What do you get, paper or CD? Does anyone have them? If so, what is your opinion, good or bad? Thanks Rich Gillen Armilite@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak790 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 The price were and I think still are 500$ I've seen somewhere in internet email address to the person which sell these plans but I don't remember where was that. (try on canardaviation or maybe even here) But don't expect anything like Long ez plans. You CAN'T build plane from these plans, These plans only can help you with assembling Berkut kit, somepeople use them to improve their fuel instalation etc. What do you get, paper or CD? Probably paper. (u can buy all or just couple pages) Does anyone have them? I've heard about at least two persons on that forum (try in search option) Mak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 mak790 said: (try on canardaviation or maybe even here) What does that mean -- 'even'? Just because the Canard Zone does not employ a village idiot does not mean there isn't good information available here. Here's the thread with the info you guys are looking for: http://www.canardzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1511&page=8 p.s. No offense intended whatsoever to the village idiot. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiter Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 No offense intended whatsoever to the village idiot.OK, Apology accepted Waiter Quote F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract visit: www.iflyez.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak790 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 What does that mean -- 'even'?I was almost sure that email address was on that another page So thats why I wrote (maybe even here) But I was wrong I never wrote anything like " there isn't good information available here"+ I'm only registered here (canardzone) I think that mean something:D P.S I'm not native speaker sometimes I use wrong words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 yes you can get them however there more in the region of $1000 if i remember correct they are printed on large plans and i think theres about 50 pages you can also get the construction CD with it as well but not the videos however there is a lot of gaps in the instructions so you will have to refer to the longez plans aswell as the berkut stuff and try and work out how to do it all as the berkut used pre moulded parts i do have the plans and CD myself and find them rather good what i am working on doing is remaking the moulds from the plans in CAD and then machining the patterns out of tooling block (i have the benefit of working for a composite company so have equipment available to me that average joe doesnt) john.griffiths@comcast.net is the guy who makes and prints the plans and samples of the plans are available to view here http://www.berkutengineering.com/pages/support_draw1.html hope this helps Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 OK, Apology acceptedHa, please, no substitutes! I'm only registered here (canardzone) I think that mean something:D P.S I'm not native speaker sometimes I use wrong words. Yes it does. Reading that forum, as well as others, is on my list of lunchtime todos. You're doing fine with the communications! however there is a lot of gaps in the instructions so you will have to refer to the longez plans aswell as the berkut stuff and try and work out how to do it all as the berkut used pre moulded parts i do have the plans and CD myself and find them rather good what i am working on doing is remaking the moulds from the plans in CAD and then machining the patterns out of tooling block (i have the benefit of working for a composite company so have equipment available to me that average joe doesnt) Hmmm... making moulds. You won't be far away at that point from hiring laborers (or yourself) to make a fuselage for sale. Add a couple other parts and you have... gasp... a kit! You don't need to do it EXACTLY like the Berkut, where later kits didn't use foam core wings -- you could use foam core wings and sell your kit as the 'ColinB'. Something to daydream about... Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 be nice wouldnt it only problem is that at the moment with the exhange rate the costs for you guys over the atlantic would be horrific then you have shipping costs with that aswell anyway the moulds would probably be the easy bit of it all it would be the instruction book on how to put it all together that would need to be written that would be quite a hurdle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak790 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I'm a little bit jealous about these moulds special fuselage. I have some experience in working with moulds. I've built a car this way. I love working with moulds but I'm afraid it isn't the best way to build plane in Europe in some countries for every little change in construction method you need to provide dozens of pages with calculations and drawings etc. Moulded fuselage is a huge change. Sorry for off topic picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSwitch Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I ran into a someone with Berkut plans, just the drawings, expressed a willingness to part with them for $5-600: fair, good deal, dirt cheap, what a rip! Run! ?? Anyone have a current opinion? Quote Airspeed is Life - - Having lots of it is Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Actually that is a pretty good deal. There are 99 pages, 30" x 40" that are of the highest quality I have seen. I don't know how many times I wished I could have full size wing templates that are plotted vs. the drawings I got with my Long-EZ. Not to mention the details in the trim system, fuel system, electrical,(and on and on.) It's hard to part with that much green but it's a great value. I paid more and do not regret it a bit. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rviglierchio Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Interesting thread. Has anyone talked to the designer about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozy Girrrl Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Mak790, Love the Locost Super Seven Regards, Chrissi & Randi Quote CG Products www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSwitch Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 . . . It's hard to part with that much green but it's a great value. I paid more and do not regret it a bit. Thanks TMann, that's what I was thinking too, the impulse to tear my pocket open and whip out my wallet was strong when he told me he was considering a sale but resisted till I could run it by you guys first. I'll snatch them up tomorrow night. Hat Quote Airspeed is Life - - Having lots of it is Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 make sure there the recent drawings current to 2006 if you can and make sure all the pages are present especially the spar layup and construction ones as you will more than certainly want those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSwitch Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 make sure there the recent drawings current to 2006 if you can and make sure all the pages are present especially the spar layup and construction ones as you will more than certainly want those Colin, Thanks for the tips. TMann said there were 99 pages: I'll count 4 sets of 20 and a 19. Not sure if these are current thru 2006, but I'm sure they will prove more than sufficient for my purposes. Hat Quote Airspeed is Life - - Having lots of it is Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak790 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Mak790, Love the Locost Super Seven Regards, Chrissi & Randi Thanks but actualiy it isn't locost its my own design but all of these cars are very similar (lotus 7, caterham, westfield, locost etc) I also did some assembly video in Autodesk Inventor you can watch it here Btw I'm going to make similar video but this time It will be Long/Open-Ez assembly (4 CanardZone community) and because I need to learn Solidworks, probably this time I'll make it in Solidworks . Mak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proteus Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I know this is an old thread but I was wondering if anyone succeeded at putting together a complete set of plans to build a Berkut Long-EZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortal Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 http://www.berkutengineering.com/pages/support_draw1.html Just to let you know (if you didn't) Berkut engineering.com is no more peace on them! yeah and also, i agree with proteus, incorporate the berkut mod to the open ez project, or at least make it available (i would be interested)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yeah ........ that's old news. There was a sale several years ago and the Idea was to turn it ino a UAV. I've seen video of it landing on it's own. Most buyers would be military so you won't be buying a kit from them in the near future. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortal Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 the website was still up thow for support, but know its not there anymore... for the companie, it is old news for sure! still would be interrested in a set of plans and stuff to build the thing, at least having some of the improvements for long-ez mods (carbon wing and canard, io540 installation and more...) and understand the mods and the engineering behind also Found the video http://www.genaero.com/video/Berkut_Autoflight.wmv Geneva aerospace seams to be a subsidiary of L3 More vids here: http://www.genaero.com/news/vid.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 If you want a copy of the drawings, get yourself a $grand$ and contact John Griffiths. See the Drawings paragraph on this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20070607193254/www.berkutengineering.com/pages/support.html Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortal Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Nice catch wasn't it 500? a grand for drawings you cant even build enything of it is a bit overkill... i do want a copy, but i don't want them that badly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 wasn't it 500? Nope. It's a lot of information. Close to 100 pages plus part numbers, etc. I bought a set. I guess we'll see how close you can get to a Berkut. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjon77 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 So, just so I understand this. If one has the berkut plans AND the long-ez/Open-ez plans, one can build a Berkut? If so, that would be EXTREMELY COOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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