non mazda rotary

[Aitch1969]

just found this link in the honda section and thought it should be posted here

 

http://www.mistral-engines.com/ (non-Mazda rotary?)

 

what are your opinions

 

1. validity of the non MAZDA claim

2. Pricing

3. 3000 hour TBO

 

[Nathan Gifford]

Its priced around $25K to $30K. It should be awesome when actually released.

[Jon Matcho]

what are your opinions

I have no reason to doubt that they're not using Mazda rotary cores, although I have to wonder why. This is less appealing for me, since you'd have to find a Mistral engine specialist to service the engine. I suppose you'll be able to find a technician at the same place where the Enterprise gets its warp drive dilithium crystals serviced.

 

Relative to a brand new Lycoming, the pricing is essentially the same once you add the PSRU ($38,450). There's also the cost for the engine mount, which I'd expect for them to provide a stock part for common planes, but not for canards.

 

I can't imagine trusting the 3,000 TBO estimate until they're in production for several years.

 

I wouldn't fly this engine, but will consider a Mazda-based rotary engine package if one will exist in a few years. Regardless, I will always root for any business that's providing alternate engine choices.

[Aitch1969]

my original post was a little abrasive but reading their text they say

 

"MISTRAL Engines, LLC offers a family of liquid-cooled rotary-piston engines for light aircraft. The powerplants

are based on an automotive engine core, with a planetary reduction gear and a fully redundant Digital Engine

Management (DEM) system designed to meet certification

standards."

 

is this automotive core the 13b? all the specs on the web site match this assumption also see the engine core picture attachement

 

I am in full agreement "I will always root for any business that's providing alternate engine choices."

 

If this as i suspect a masda core then servicing may not be a problem if used as a non certified unit

 

The point I am failing to get accross is that we should all be further encouraged to use the mazda engine although we can only dream of acheiving such a beautiful result a little time and effort and the same operational results can be had for a fraction of the cost even when using all new components.

 

This should also go towards quietening the voices of those who put down the auto conversions

engine core.bmp

mistral engine.bmp

[Jon Matcho]

my original post was a little abrasive...

I didn't think so.

 

"The powerplants are based on an automotive engine core..."

That's what I initially heard/thought, but it seems like they're trying to hide this fact (?), perhaps to support the $30,000 tag.

 

is this automotive core the 13b?

Works better for me if it is, but still less so than giving someone $20,000 (WAG) to build an aviation rotary for me.

 

Time will tell. In the meantime there's the matter of an airframe to build... I can't wait until the weather warms up.

[Jerry Schneider]

Works better for me if it is, but still less so than giving someone $20,000 (WAG) to build an aviation rotary for me..

Last I checked, Turrentine will get you a brand new RX-8 modified for aviation for @$5800. Add a Crook redrive for @$3k, a intake manifold (soon to be available as a bolt -on.) and a few other goodies, and you can have a firewall aft engine installation for MAYBE $12k.

 

Not too shabby.

[CBarber]

Do we have a ballpark time when the intake will be available? Are you speaking of the one Bruce has been working on for what SEEMS an internity now ? What price range....$400 ish?? TIA.

 

I am ready for one. I don't really want to do my own.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

[Jerry Schneider]

No word yet on when the intake will be available. Everybody says "soon".

I don't know the price either. It would be nice not to have to do my own though.

[CBarber]

Yeah,I have been hearing "soon" for months. <g> So it goes.....

 

Chris

[Vortal]

The mistral website has been updated today apprently...

[steve]

there are intakes for sale atkcins rotory

[Juhl-EZ]

FYI one fellow Dane is building a RV-10 with this engine. He apparently has allready taken delivery of his engine in January.

 

See more here:

 

http://www.rv10.dk/rv10/rv/mp/motor.html

 

http://www.rv10.dk/rv10/rv/fin/engmount.html

 

Regards,

Henrik

[Limo EZ]

http://www.rotamax.net/