natewolfe Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Cozy IV Project for Sale (#1260) Looking for a project to buy to give you an incredible head start? Take a look at this Cozy IV project. I will make available to anyone interested a full online build log with tons of pictures as will as the 100s of photos that are not included in the build log in their original full size digital resolution. Project Includes: Dennis Oleman Wings Dennis Oleman Spar Dennis Oleman Canard Electric Nose Lift Electric Speed Brake Lots of the parts have already been purchased. They will go with the project. TONS of add on parts Full Plans, ML Drawings, newsletter updates… etc I am in N. California, not far outside of San Francisco. (East Bay to the locals) The project is available for viewing / inspection / pawing / dreaming as you like. I am happy to negotiate a reasonable price. Message me here and we can exchange Contact information. Quote Nathan Wolfe http://www.stealthturtle.com/ Cozy IV #1260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillvol Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Hi Nate, Is it possible for you to share the mentioned online log? Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natewolfe Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Here are links to some of the build pictures by chapter: 4: https://goo.gl/photos/T8pRybDJmM7mPuCDA 5: https://goo.gl/photos/L1pNhSDrPkyfdod87 6: https://goo.gl/photos/BpoKeqguxuQVuQBk8 7: https://goo.gl/photos/gK6qp23qzgHkcDxP9 8: https://goo.gl/photos/hBLiYGuvTYMb4dwSA 9: https://goo.gl/photos/ND1PgPy55nwNFfCUA 10: https://goo.gl/photos/Q3KiPb5CU79HYLDS9 14: https://goo.gl/photos/PPQ7EGUU7LW4Nh5N7 18: https://goo.gl/photos/uoPhSMhg7m7E1sRU7 19: https://goo.gl/photos/on2nQkz6e8qGMUPg7 20: https://goo.gl/photos/vn6rFL9DjPsHmdDy7 I'll try to update the online Blog and get it available on the internet again shortly. It's running on an outdated version of Joomla and I want to make sure all of the SecOps stuff is up to date before I expose it again. Quote Nathan Wolfe http://www.stealthturtle.com/ Cozy IV #1260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Here are links to some of the build pictures by chapter: 10: https://goo.gl/photos/Q3KiPb5CU79HYLDS9 Only took a quick look, and for the most part, things look decent (although web pics are notoriously hard to interpret, even if you know what you're looking at). However, the contour of the top of the elevators is incorrect - it's been filled in (possibly by micro, possibly by an incorrect hot-wiring) and is missing the recurve. It will have to be recontoured prior to final finishing. You should point this out to prospective buyers. Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macleodm3 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) However, the contour of the top of the elevators is incorrect - it's been filled in (possibly by micro, possibly by an incorrect hot-wiring) and is missing the recurve. It will have to be recontoured prior to final finishing. Those elevators were built by Dennis Oelmann, and I'm sure the person that paid Dennis to build the canard expected near perfection. If this issue was pointed out to Dennis, he may (should) be willing to fix this right away. Dennis built my canard/elevators too, and there is proper recurve on the elevators. Edited January 24, 2017 by Andrew Anunson Quote Andrew Anunson I work underground and I play in the sky... no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natewolfe Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Marc, I hadn't noted that. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll knock up a template from the m-drawings / plans and do a compare and see if there is a mismatch. I can't imagine that it will be hard to fix either way. I'm pretty confident in Dennis' work, not that anyone is infallible. That canard is a work of art when you see it up close honestly. How have you been? Nathan Quote Nathan Wolfe http://www.stealthturtle.com/ Cozy IV #1260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) I can't imagine that it will be hard to fix either way.It looks to me as though excess micro was used to fill the top surface, in which case sanding will fix it (I just fixed another LE's Roncz canard that had this issue by sanding off a TON of micro, which also had the benefit of bringing the elevator into balance, which it wasn't). However, if the issue is that the underlying foam is the wrong shape, then the top skin will have to be peeled off, the foam sanded to shape, and new skin applied. Not a horror show in either case, but more work one way than the other. I'm pretty confident in Dennis' work, not that anyone is infallible. That canard is a work of art when you see it up close honestly.I've seen a lot of Dennis' work, and it's usually very nice. How have you been?Keeping busy... Edited January 25, 2017 by Marc Zeitlin Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillvol Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Only took a quick look, and for the most part, things look decent (although web pics are notoriously hard to interpret, even if you know what you're looking at). However, the contour of the top of the elevators is incorrect - it's been filled in (possibly by micro, possibly by an incorrect hot-wiring) and is missing the recurve. It will have to be recontoured prior to final finishing. You should point this out to prospective buyers. Wow, as a first time builder it's fascinating to see you point out minute details with just a glance. Thank you for that! Marc, I hadn't noted that. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll knock up a template from the m-drawings / plans and do a compare and see if there is a mismatch. I can't imagine that it will be hard to fix either way. I'm pretty confident in Dennis' work, not that anyone is infallible. That canard is a work of art when you see it up close honestly. How have you been? Nathan Hey Nathan, can i email you to take the commercial aspect of this conversation further? I'm a first time builder and there's no amateur flying ecosystem in India. So i've got a lot of questions (read: not so smart questions) about this project, may i ask them here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I'm a first time builder and there's no amateur flying ecosystem in India. So i've got a lot of questions (read: not so smart questions) about this project, may i ask them here? If you are interested in canard aircraft, that's what this what this site is for. Before you go to far, check what is possible in India. You might be wasting your time trying to build a homebuilt airplane there. Some countries make it so hard, it's just not practical. I see that there is an EAA Chapter in India, Chapter 1596 in Secunderabad, so maybe it's possible. http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-chapters/find-an-eaa-chapter Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillvol Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 If you are interested in canard aircraft, that's what this what this site is for. Before you go to far, check what is possible in India. You might be wasting your time trying to build a homebuilt airplane there. Some countries make it so hard, it's just not practical. I see that there is an EAA Chapter in India, Chapter 1596 in Secunderabad, so maybe it's possible. http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-chapters/find-an-eaa-chapter Hi Kent, Thanks for looking up the link, i have seen that before, and basically the gentleman who chairs the chapters is an Non Resident Indian (NRI) based out of USA. So it's a chapter, but nothing really happens there. There are legal provisions in India which are very difficult to exercise, however i will fly in the middle of the desert with no active military bases or airports in a radius of 200kms. So it's cool, i will fly in that region until the red tape is cleared out in parallel. There are a few kits here and there, but they're very basic X-Airs/Zenith. Nothing even remotely close to beautiful canards. Precisely for the reasons you mentioned, I am looking for something that is as close to a CKD (completely knocked down) kit as possible. Although i'm confident in my capability to make a Rutan composite on foam structure, i don't want to risk it with the first one. I am looking at pre made canards for sale and kits like Velocity and AeroCanard for this. Also, to add: i need everything except the Lycoming/other engine since the lack of an ecosystem in India will make it very expensive to service it throughout it's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I am looking for something that is as close to a CKD (completely knocked down) kit as possible. Although i'm confident in my capability to make a Rutan composite on foam structure, i don't want to risk it with the first one. I am looking at pre made canards for sale and kits like Velocity and AeroCanard for this. Also, to add: i need everything except the Lycoming/other engine since the lack of an ecosystem in India will make it very expensive to service it throughout it's life. If you want to own and fly a canard in India, I suggest buying a flying airplane in the U.S., load it in a shipping container and ship it. You can buy a flying U.S. Long-ez for $35,000 to $40,000 and shipping it is not very difficult--easier than building one. The cost to do that would probably be less than the cost of ordering a U.S. Velocity kit and building it. . . . If the Indian authorities will let you fly it. I have met Europeans who buy U.S. airplanes and ferry them to Europe. They say U.S. prices are cheap compared to European prices. There is very little "risk" in building from plans if you use the proper materials and follow the plans. Download the "Open-EZ" plans at this site and take a look. You need to investigate the costs. A European friend of mine recently ordered a pre-cast nose from Aerocad to repair his wrecked Cozy. He paid $1980 for the nose, $500 for shipping to France, and 669 Euros ($723) french import tax! $3200 total! He could have built a nose for less than $500, I expect. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillvol Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 If you want to own and fly a canard in India, I suggest buying a flying airplane in the U.S., load it in a shipping container and ship it. You can buy a flying U.S. Long-ez for $35,000 to $40,000 and shipping it is not very difficult--easier than building one. The cost to do that would probably be less than the cost of ordering a U.S. Velocity kit and building it. . . . If the Indian authorities will let you fly it. I have met Europeans who buy U.S. airplanes and ferry them to Europe. They say U.S. prices are cheap compared to European prices. There is very little "risk" in building from plans if you use the proper materials and follow the plans. Download the "Open-EZ" plans at this site and take a look. You need to investigate the costs. A European friend of mine recently ordered a pre-cast nose from Aerocad to repair his wrecked Cozy. He paid $1980 for the nose, $500 for shipping to France, and 669 Euros ($723) french import tax! $3200 total! He could have built a nose for less than $500, I expect. That makes sense, although it'll be difficult to import a used aircraft. Yes, i've gone through a lot of literature, a lot of build logs, multiple POHs, newsletters, most of the forums. However since you and a lot of people here are amazingly intelligent/experienced/talented/worked hard, it might seem easy to you. I don't want to bet on myself without anyone's physical help and oversight on the first one, and i want to get flying quickly. Therefore what you said makes perfect sense, to buy and fly, and then build. I'll go to the Customs Department in the coming week and figure out the import of a used aircraft. Will update soon! In case you have any potential airplanes, please share Thank you for your time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 In case you have any potential airplanes, please share There are lots if airplanes in the "Experimental" section of www.Barnstormers.com. Also at http://www.trade-a-plane.combut most of those are certified aircraft. I believe the German publication Aerocourier has ads. Also check with your Indian aviation authority about importing aircraft. Customs only wants your money but the aviation authority may be tougher. http://www.civilaviation.gov.in Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Zeitlin Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 In case you have any potential airplanes, please share Contact me directly via email. Quote Marc J. Zeitlin Burnside Aerospace marc_zeitlin@alum.mit.edu www.cozybuilders.org copyright © 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natewolfe Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hey Nathan, can i email you to take the commercial aspect of this conversation further? I'm a first time builder and there's no amateur flying ecosystem in India. So i've got a lot of questions (read: not so smart questions) about this project, may i ask them here? Sure. email me at: nwolfe at cyclebent.com Quote Nathan Wolfe http://www.stealthturtle.com/ Cozy IV #1260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToriMac Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Hello, just wondering if the project has been sold? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natewolfe Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 No... Still for sale... To All: I am interested in letting go of this project... i've dabbled with the idea of selling it in the past but not gotten serious in the hope I'd be re-inspired... I don't think that's going to happen and I'd rather know this thing is being worked on... if you are still interested email me directly. I will consider any reasonable offer. nwolfe at cyclebent . com Quote Nathan Wolfe http://www.stealthturtle.com/ Cozy IV #1260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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