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Hi Leonardi, I took the liberty of correcting the spelling of your post title (attach instead of attack).

You'll have to fabricate new wing attachment hardware, but there are those that can answer your question much better than I can.  It's a topic that comes up often in CSA Newsletter articles, the mailing lists, and elsewhere.  

This is from the original Rutan Aircraft Factory's Canard Pusher Newsletter (issue #55, page 5):

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VARIEZE MAIN WING ATTACH - CORROSION
Since we first reported the corrosion problem in VariEze main wing attach plates in CP53, page 7, we have heard from only two or three builder/flyers who had found signs of corrosion. Just this week, we received a letter from a VariEze owner/pilot who found corrosion in the WA-2-2 plate. He has spent a considerable amount of time and energy removing this plate, in fact, he said he almost resorted to using dynamite! He sent us the WA-2-2 plate, the lower plate of the top two plates mounted to the centersection spar. By far the toughest plate to remove and replace. This plate (see photo) has one of the worst cases of intergranular corrosion we have seen. It is absolutely not safe to fly and must be replaced. Unfortunately, this is probably going to be very difficult, and we honestly do not have any simple fix for this. Just removing the WA-2- plate could do serious damage to the centersection spar. The UND wrap around the end of the centersection spar may have to be cut and removed. The foam under the WA-2-2 plate must be dug out, the 8 AN525 (or AN509) screws must be removed (drilling them out may be the easiest method). A replacement plate must be fabricated, duplicating exactly all of the holes in the plate. This is a difficult job and will require an expert machinist and a lot of patience. Brock will not be able to help you with this. Each case will have to be dealt with on an individual basis. The new piece should be alodined and then floxed and screwed back into place. If the UND wrap was damaged, it must be replaced, which requires cutting into the fuel tank (we did say it would be tough!).

This is major work, not anything that could not be done by a person who has built a VariEze, but very tedious, difficult work. And it must be done right. There is no short cut, no easy way. If you find more than simple white powder surface corrosion, stuff you can easily polish off with 320 grit sandpaper, you must ground your VariEze and replace the corroded parts.

A mandatory inspection is required before next flight for all VariEzes. So not take this problem lightly, it could kill you and anyone who may be with you. Remove both wings. Clean all visible aluminum parts at the wing root and centersection spar. Look at the edges of all the WA plates on the centersection spar. Look for a thinner edge or a swollen appearance under the glass. Look in between these plates (where the WA-3 tongue slides in). A white powder appearance that can be completely removed and polished out with 320 grit is OK, but the plates should be very thoroughly cleaned and sprayed with zinc chromate. LPS or a good quality grease as used in marine applications should be generously applied everywhere before re-installing the wings. Check the WA-4 pins and the AN4 bolts and grease both thoroughly. Replace the AN4 bolts if they show any sign of corrosion.

New construction VariEzes, or anyone replacing wing attach fittings with new ones, should clean all aluminum parts with Alumiprep 33 or Metal Prep #79 then alodine them with Alodine 1201 which puts a tough, corrosion-resistant, visible, golden finish on. We are reluctant to try alodining parts in place due to the acid etch (Alumiprep 33) possibly getting under the glass onto the aluminum.

When you inspect your VariEze, be very conscientious. Check very carefully, it is difficult to find, you may have to probe under the glass over the WA-2-2 plates. Look hard and long at it before you decide it is safe to fly.

The only good news about this is that where the epoxy was bonded to this WA-2-2 plate which we have, there is no corrosion. The surface of the metal is as new. Intergrandular corrosion is very common in airplanes that live near the ocean.

Sea planes are especially prone and require constant inspection and maintenance aimed at preventing just this problem. The salt in the air plus water from rain or condensation, plus heat and aluminum and, presto!, you have a battery! Galvanic reaction and you have corrosion. Keep the aluminum parts clean, grease them often, and you will have no problems. People who live far from the ocean may not see this problem but they must check for it just the same.

This problem is confined to the VariEze. The Long-EZ wing attachment is completely different and this same problem should not occur. Of course, all metal parts must be protected from corrosion - aluminum with alodine or zinc chromate, steel with zinc chromate (after cleaning in metal Prep). Wing attach bolts and parts should be generously covered with a good grease in VariEze and Long-EZs. Replace any rusty bolts and nuts.

 

Jon Matcho :busy:
Builder & Canard Zone Admin
Now:  Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E
Next:  Resume building a Cozy Mark IV

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I have not seen any lately. Here are some posts about making them   Maybe you get a machinist to make 5-10 sets and sell the others.

http://www.ez.org/smf/index.php?topic=5374.0

https://www.canardzone.com/forums/topic/17913-question-for-varieze-ownersbuilders-concerning-wing-attach-plates/?do=findComment&comment=21269

Try contacting David Orr at canardfinder@worldnet.att.net. He has had them or might know who is making them. 

-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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13 hours ago, Jon Matcho said:

Hi Leonardi, I took the liberty of correcting the spelling of your post title (attach instead of attack).

You'll have to fabricate new wing attachment hardware, but there are those that can answer your question much better than I can.  It's a topic that comes up often in CSA Newsletter articles, the mailing lists, and elsewhere.  

 This is from the original Rutan Aircraft Factory's Canard Pusher Newsletter (issue #55, page 5):

Thanks for answer me!

sorry for the language!

this is my Varieze wing attach.

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13 hours ago, Kent Ashton said:

Try contacting David Orr at canardfinder@worldnet.att.net. He has had them or might know who is making them. 

Thanks i try To contact David ....i know David! 

David find me any Varieze parts 3 year ago!

thanks 

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Except for the last picture I do not see much corrosion in the metal at all.  Please do not take my word for it -- diagnosis using only pictures always difficult -- but it's possible you can fine-sand and polish those parts and then seal or treat with alodine and put them back with new screws and pins.

Again, do not trust me.  I am an amateur.

Jon Matcho :busy:
Builder & Canard Zone Admin
Now:  Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E
Next:  Resume building a Cozy Mark IV

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The surfaces have been cleaned off but the pits in the last picture are the start of intergranular corrosion.  Google 2024 corrosion and you will see pics of that pitting and how it is working its way into the metal.  Those pieces might last a while but the corrosion process has a good start.  Why install them on a new build?

 

-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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13 hours ago, Kent Ashton said:

Those pieces might last a while but the corrosion process has a good start.  Why install them on a new build?

How much material would need to be removed is the question I'd have before committing to using them.  Following the CP guidance would work, but your suggestion to replace is best given the likelihood of corrosion. 

Leonardi, you can take these pieces to a machine shop and have them remade (tell the shop it's for a tractor or something).  You can do the sealing yourself, or maybe the shop can.  There aren't many options to acquire these parts as the "VariEze Store" has been closed for quite some time.

Jon Matcho :busy:
Builder & Canard Zone Admin
Now:  Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E
Next:  Resume building a Cozy Mark IV

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In fact I will not use these  attach  for my construction! It is a new construction and I will try to make it the best!
I sent an e-mail to David Orr!
If not, I will try to reproduce them with the best manufacturing here in Italy

I will try to translate in a technical and precise way the methods of reproduction of the attach and I will speak with an engineer here in Italy.

 

 

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