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These forums are viewable using just about any browser. The main www.canardzone.com site is not. However, I have met with the development team and that too will eventually support all browsers.Originally posted by cncdoc
I use Netscape 7.1. IE 6.0 came with the new computer. It's like certain forms of birth control, I hate it, but I'll use it if I have to......
Speaking as someone looking for valuable information among the less-than-valuable, "ditto".Originally posted by No4 (commenting on a post by dust)
...I wonder why you post the word "Turbo" fifty times in reply to a question, "Just start building now" fifty times in response to another...
All? No. Some suggested to setup a proper shop first. Those that did share the thought to begin building now did so in an informative and useful manner.Originally posted by dust
on the start building now fifty times, isn't that what all of the other posts said, he he he
Maybe. A thought I have for the new forum hierarchy is to move all threads in the current 'Coffee House' to a 'Coffee House 2003' forum, close it, and start a new 'Coffee House'. Then again, this may prove to be a waste of time. Junk in any forum outside of the Coffee House should just not be, and I hope this all can be self-policing. If it's not, we'll have to moderate. Moderation is a royal PITA and ideally not the answer. I am leaning towards removing the anonymous factor to the membership. You can see that some of the "fights" and noise here is directly related to anonymous members. In order to access all forum areas in the future, you may need to provide your real name.Originally posted by marbleturtle
I think the archive could be useful if all of the "junk" is tossed.
On the lighter side...
Ah ha! You do have a name!Originally posted by No4
Best regards
Adam
CnC, I'm not picking on you (I am picking on the anti-Microsoft and Bill Gates haters), but unless you got into your car and drove to the nearest "Netscape store", you can thank Microsoft IE 6.0 for saving you time by allowing you to browse to Netscape and download yet-another-browser onto your Microsoft-enabled computer.Originally posted by cncdoc
I use Netscape 7.1. IE 6.0 came with the new computer. It's like certain forms of birth control, I hate it, but I'll use it if I have to......
Have a day.
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It's not so much that the forum software allows or disallows the spiders to read the content; it's that most spiders cannot read dynamic content (pages that use '?' characters in the URL). On this forum we have seen Inktomi spiders able to browse around wherever a link was available to a non-registered user.Originally posted by JakeC
As far as the search engine thing goes. One of the characteristics of this and most brands of discussion forums is that they do not let the search engine "spiders" read the content.
They used to be, but with the move and redirect from www.cozyaircraft.com/forum we appear to have lost them. I think this is good, provided the root site (www.canardzone.com) is found by the spiders and ultimately fed into the search engines.Originally posted by JakeC
I think those spiders are many of our guests
I can certainly put a link to your site at www.canardzone.com/?Section=Links if you do the same. Shall we?Originally posted by JakeC
The best way for this site to improve it's ranking in the search engines is to get as many links to it as possible on sites that have to do with homebuilding aircraft.
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Yes. This is actually related to the browser situation, for which I have caved into the massive pressures pushing resolution of this issue. I will be discussing options to improve both issues this evening with some of the greatest minds on the planet. I will keep everyone posted.
Regardless, I still think you should throw away your Mac/Linux contraption.
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Browse to http://www.canardzone.com/?Section=ProposedHierarchy for updates including feedback from this thread.
For those that do not have Internet Explorer, you can download a RTF file here.
Thanks to all who contributed feedback this round.
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If you were watching TV and heard someone trying to jimmy your back door open, here's the order of things you'd get upset with:Originally posted by rmaddy
As apposed to Microsoft which already is a disaster when it comes to security.
1) the jerk at the door
2) the brand of door for exposing a flaw
3) the majority shareholder of the door company
Hackers are criminals.
Linux has security flaws, so does the Mac, and so does Microsoft -- they all do. Microsoft just happens to be the most attacked and written about.
Assuming you're talking about open source Linux vs. Windows 2000+, I would have to disagree. Over the past two years, I have seen Microsoft turnaround fixes to security threats within the same day as when they had been reported. Other fixes require no more than 1-2 days to distribute via their www.windowsupdate.com site.Originally posted by rmaddy
Open source, while not perfect, has a much better record with security and it gets fixed much faster if a problem is found.
I hear what you're saying, but once you use the equivalent of a power tool, it's hard to put it down -- especially when you get more done through its use.Originally posted by rmaddy
It is much easier to write a standard web page that will work on more browsers than just IE. It doesn't take extra time to develop for extra browsers if you use standards. It takes extra time to code to IE specific functionality.
Regardless, I acknowledge the need to support the common denominator for Web browsing and will see what I can do to accomodate. Your site works for me, and I want www.canardzone.com to work for everyone.
Still, this light-hearted flash movie sums up my feelings for Linux: Switch to Linux
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No offense here John, but I'm a huge fan of writing computer programs to write more computer programs. The tool is entirely extensible, but has not yet been extended to support all Web browsers. It's also not so much a code generator I'm using though, than a Web site manager. For the curious, you can find more about it here.Originally posted by John Slade
I've never been much of a fan of code generation systems, but they ARE useful for rapid prototyping which is what Jon's doing right now. Once the layout has been developed its not much of a job to rewrite for generic browsers.
I agree. With regard to content, I feel priority #1 is to enhance the forum hierarchy so that posts happen in more appropriate areas so that the weight of our collective knowledge base becomes ever so valuable.Originally posted by John Slade
Content... This is what I think we should be talking about.
Going forward, there's nothing that cannot be done given time and money.
I am all ears.Originally posted by John Slade
What do people think should be on the menu at Canard Zone?
Hmmm, I agree that we should cater to Cozys, Longs, and others, but what better way to get the juices flowing than to be taunted to sand some Starship-like lines into your Cozy project?Originally posted by John Slade
I don't think the Starship image is right [for the home page]. Pretty, but off topic. This should be a Cozy IV which represents the majority of new build canards.
It would actually be nice to have list e-mails feed in and through the forums and give members the choice of how they wish to interact with the forum. This would be quite a feat, but something to move towards... gradually.Originally posted by John Slade
I'd like to see a gradual movement towards finding it all in one place. CanardZone with its superior forum technology can be that place.
Thanks for your feedback John, et al.
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I say go for it. Shell out the $500 and spend many a night updating the plans with the corrections from the newsletters and reading ahead.Originally posted by macleodm3
So.. should I go ahead and get the plans while the window of opportunity is here, and then build the shop? No attic, extra bedroom, or basement is available and I don't think we should build away from home (at least not the startup build chapters).
Go crazy and get the 'practice kit' from Aircraft Spruce -- you can "build" that in your kitchen. Speaking of ACS, get catalogs from Aircraft Spruce and Wicks and spend months planning your first order.
Visit a few projects to get a feel for what you're getting into.
This was about the order I did things. I'm in the same boat of working to establish a good building area while I read the plans. I have no regrets at all and continue to be dead set on flying a Cozy that I will eventually build.
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Ha, I guessed wrong on that one. I suppose it doesn't count though that Microsoft owns $150M worth of Apple though? I did view the site using IE running on Apple's OS and it was viewable, although not perfect.Originally posted by dust
...my mac runs just fine
The problem is that all browsers, no matter how supportive of open standards they claim to be, do take some amount of liberty in how they implement those standards. You will always see differences in how a site views between different browsers. The result is that Web sites are often forced to effectively maintain multiple versions and implementations so that the site renders on all browsers. This results in increased costs to maintain sites.Originally posted by dust
Why can't I access it on Netscape 4.77 *OR* Explorer 6.0 ??? What am I missing?
I am not about to petition any anti-Microsoft person to switch to Internet Explorer. I do acknowledge that the main www.canardzone.com site is only viewable using Internet Explorer. I recognized this as acceptable for most (but not all) going in, and wondered when it would come to a head. This situation gives me some motivation to have development at Brickhouse Software open up to supporting other browsers.
I promise that I will look for easy adjustments that can be made so that the site is viewable by everyone, even if not as pretty as when viewed in Internet Explorer. Remember, the forums should have no problem whatsoever.
Please keep in mind that this service is FREE...
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This has been corrected and should now be fine to send e-mail to support@canardzone.com.Originally posted by cncdoc
...contact admin@canardzone.com for any changes. I sent a short email to ask for the word to be corrected, but it was sent back as undeliverable.
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Everyone, the only area that some people are having problems with is the main Web site (www.canardzone.com) and NOT these forums. There are two different softwares at work here, and the forums has and will not change.
The forum will not be changed to prevent access by anyone. The Canard Zone Web site is a problem unless browsing with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher.
The issue here is that I donated time and money to make the www.canardzone.com Web site happen. It has been optional viewing, perhaps until now.
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I put this on the list of things to pursue.Originally posted by No4One thought I had would be to sort the members list by state as well alpha.
How is a 'Just Getting Started' section? Is that what you mean?Originally posted by LargePrimeHow about a "Brand new to this and I was wondering section about..."
Depending on the improvement, it should either go under skunkworks or perhaps a Modifications section closer to the type-specific tree.Originally posted by LargePrimeDo you see us discussing improvments to the plans or kits in the relivant areas, or all under skunkworks?
Without any moderators, we will all have to try harder with keeping to topic.Originally posted by No4Firstly I suggest we all try to sticking to the thread, and think we should agree that if the conversation changes topic, we move to that thread.
later...
Anybody any good with viruses? I think I have one in my laptop.
This is a worthwhile consideration, but realize that it requires that we allow moderators to do this and whatever else they're enabled to do by vBulletin with the 'Moderator' privilege. This could result in a problem that's worse than the original. Given our relatively small membership, I am against this for right now, but it is on the list of considerations.Originally posted by No4If a thread is started in the wrong topic section, it is moved to the correct section, but still appears in the old topic section with MOVED ... Clicking on this link takes you to the correct section.
Yes, very good to use 'sticky' threads where appropriate. They are not used here presently. I will include on the list.Originally posted by No4...in each topic they have a "STICKY" thread or two, which always remains as the top thread in that topic.
We are talking about the www.canardzone.com Web site, and not the forums as powered by vBulletin.Originally posted by rmaddyPlease do not change this site so that it stops working for a lot of people.
I'm all for "cleaning" up the threads but the use of a new, non-standard tool is far from ideal.
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Were you forced to turn on your computer or did you choose to? With the options available today, you do not need to use anything Microsoft, but be prepared to pay AT LEAST triple in money and time.Originally posted by dustI don't use any microsoft product i am not FORCED to use
I cannot figure this one out Jim; this should just not be. I will contact you in a separate e-mail on possible solutions.Originally posted by Jim SowerHmmmm! I tried the url on Explorer 6.0 and got the same result. Is there possibly something in my setup that might cause all the images to come out little boxes with 'x' inside?
Every moment of my working life is building corporate Web applications. My deployments consist of 1,000-10,000 domestic and international users at a pop, sometimes on multiple continents speaking different languages. I am keenly aware of the standards of technology at large, my customers, and that of 95% of my potential corporate customers -- they're all running Windows.Originally posted by rmaddyPart of my real life is working on web sites. I'm a big proponent of standards and nothing annoys me more than sites and tools that seem to only support Micro$oft browsers.
Last I checked, Microsoft-based computers are unbelievably inexpensive ($350 @ Dell). If anyone would like to debate this topic on another thread, I will be happy to tear notions of 'Micro$oft' as villian or Linux as an ROI advantage to shreds.Originally posted by rmaddy...Micro$oft...
Everyone, I will continue to work to get the www.canardzone.com Web site viewable for those that do not use Internet Explorer. This will take some further investment on my part, so right now you have the choice of using IE to see the content over there.
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The www.canardzone.com site is new and improved, but unfortunately only Microsoft Internet Explorer Version 5.5 or higher is supported. IE 5.0 also works, but not gracefully. The reason for this is that I am using a Web development tool built by Brickhouse Software that is tuned for Microsoft-based sites/intranets.Originally posted by Jim Sower
I went to the new site and got nothing useful. No links that went anyplace, and a number of those little things in the upper left corner that mean there's supposed to be an image here but it isnt. What was it supposed to look like? I have Netscape 4.77
We are aware of this limitation and can offer the following options:
1) Wait until Brickhouse enhances the tool/site (www.canardzone.com) to support non-Microsoft browsers. This will take time and money.
2) Install/upgrade to Internet Explorer Version 6.0 for FREE.
3) Do not view the site.
My recommendation would be to upgrade to IE 6.0. Unless you're running Linux, you should already have a version of IE installed. Personally, with the integration of Windows+IE+Office, I wouldn't consider anything else for my own use at this point. I'd be happy to continue this discussion in a separate thread if you like.
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I am planning on making some improvements to the structure of the forum categories in the coming weeks. We need to get ourselves out of the Coffee House and posting into relevant areas of the forum. This is the only way to build a useful knowledge base.
I put together a proposed hierarchy which can be viewed here.
Please review and send me your comments so that I may incorporate into the plan. Note that no thread or message will be lost with this activity -- all posts will be moved into the new hierarchy.
I would also like to use this time as an opportunity to put some sheen on the look and feel of these forums with some enhanced graphics, etc., yet keeping it 'down-to-business'.
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I was surfing recently joined members and noticed member named PaulL.
His Web site is: http://www.abri.com/sq2000/
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This setting is so that thoughts don't change over time, and not to inconvenience anyone.Originally posted by cncdoc
..."No editing after 30 minutes". I will have to check spelling really good (backwards) before that 30 minute limit hits!
I hope to have this issue resolved shortly. In the meantime, I will set the e-mail to send directly to my address.Originally posted by cncdoc
...contact support@canardzone.com for any changes. I sent a short email to ask for the word to be corrected, but it was sent back as undeliverable.
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Spirit, welcome to the club -- you're in. Personally, I found buying the plans just another step to my affirmation to build. The next step was reading them and updating with newsletter changes and updates. The next is planning. When it warms I will finally be building, and faced with 1,000 more steps.Originally posted by NativeSpirit
I am near the "Ready to Purchase" phase of building an aircraft from plans.
This does seem to happen here much more than on the COZY mailing list. Being the admin here, it does concern me. I am in the process of putting some guidelines together which will hopefully help. The other thought I have is to create a discussion area which can only be accessed by 'senior' members, which would be monitored for abuse by a couple moderators (but don't ask me to define 'senior' right now). At present, not a single message is moderated, as is evident from some of the messages you see.Originally posted by NativeSpirit
I have found most of the Forums-Chat interesting.(some of it confrontational).....Coming from a very abusive family, I am totally not into confrontaion.
Everyone, please write your e-mails knowing that you will someday meet the person on the other end. Write as though you're talking to them in person, and that in reality, they are not your 'arch enemy'.
This has certainly been done, but not too often. Topics of doors and canopy raise good discussion and I'm sure someone will chime in here with additional info.Originally posted by NativeSpirit
Has anyone ever added Velocity styled doors? Or have you heard of anyone doing this
Welcome again!
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The focus is on sport plane and ultralight aircraft (which also includes balloons). However, I did check the October 2003 issue and found a small article referencing Nat Puffer about wetting out your layups. Next to the article was the 'cowboy dude' from the plans.Originally posted by CBarber
...the EAA Experimentor focuses mostly on ultralights.
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Don't forget this one, with counter rotating props: Ruben and Carlos Leon's Cozy MKIV
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I fixed the problem. Everyone can feel comfortable with suggesting improvements to the forum.
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I was not aware the definition for 'canard aircraft' was so specific.Originally posted by Marc Zeitlin
Any plane that has a wing ahead of the "main" wing can be said to have a canard wing or canard surface on it, but that doesn't make it a canard aircraft.
I wonder if the designer of the planes with canard wings in the attached picture requires a similar education.
BTW, one of the planes is the Triumph Business Jet, by Scaled, a similar design to that of the Avanti.
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I understand that 'canard' refers to a forward wing contributing to up/down control. The plane as a whole does not need to look like a Long-EZ to be considered a canard aircraft. In other words, any plane that has any sort of canard wing in the front can be considered a canard aircraft....Avanti... It is not a true Canard...
Here's a link to the Piaggio Avanti: http://www.piaggioamerica.com
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Outbound e-mail notification is now fully operational. -Jon
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Check out these builder sites:Originally posted by mlefebvre
...ANY info out there other than whats posted on their website?
http://vonsquid.com/sq2000/index.htm
The SQ2000 building process strikes me as being built from the outside-in compared to Cozy plans.
Jon
Going forward, there's nothing that cannot be done given time and money.
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From frequent and firsthand personal experience, I know that those that are able to write e-mails to others under any layer of anonymity tend to do so with a more aggressive edge. Do a search on 'hate mail' or 'flame mail' and you'll find out what I'm talking about.This forum is not about advertising or mining any sort of information out of its members. It's about the exchange of real world ideas, knowledge, and opinions. On the other side of this coin is the membership, which, in my opinion, has no reason at all to be any sort of anonymous. Understand that we're not talking about privacy -- this forum respects that and allows members to keep your e-mail address private along with not giving information out to anyone.
A chat room is an excellent idea. A realtime chat room would be ideal, but minimally I will add 'Chat Room' to the new forum hierarchy (or is this what the current 'Coffee House' already is?).My objective for this forum is to keep things informative, useful, and fun for my own build this coming year.
A little banter should be okay -- it gives this forum its personality. Maybe we can have an understood Banter Tolerance Factor for forum sections. Coffee House would be high while others should be down to business.
Hooligans, the lot of you!