WildcatMidget Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) What is the best place to start gathering information on the single-place Quickie? I understand Viking (Elkhorn WI) owns the rights. Is the $30 download offered here a good starting place? I was thinking about VW power since an 1835 cc powers the Cygnet I am flying right now. Thanks Kiara Edited December 12, 2023 by WildcatMidget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 There's a pretty active mailing list here: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon Matcho Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 7:07 PM, WildcatMidget said: What is the best place to start gathering information on the single-place Quickie? You found it! Welcome, feel free to ask away. On 12/11/2023 at 7:07 PM, WildcatMidget said: I understand Viking (Elkhorn WI) owns the rights. Quickie Aircraft Company shutdown without assigning rights. You may be confusing the once-owner of the Dragonfly plans (Viking, although I'm not sure it's an Elkhorn, WI company). Quickie aircraft models are not supported by anyone and require a lot of determination to see a built-from-plans project to completion. Partial kits are out there. On 12/11/2023 at 7:07 PM, WildcatMidget said: Is the $30 download offered here a good starting place? It depends on what your goal is... It's a great starting place if you want to learn more about how the original single-seat Quickies were designed and built (purchases help support the Canard Zone as well)! There's the Quickie Builders Association website, which the Canard Zone also runs, with all sorts of information available. https://quickheads.com/ Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildcatMidget Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 I was able to sit in one owned by a kind soul over the weekend, and the ergonomics seemed to be ideal for an aircraft of its endurance. Kiara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Jones Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) The single seat Quickie, the Q1 as it's known, was (under)powered by an industrial engine of 18hp, later 20hp. But it could top out at 126mph, or attain up to 105mpg at 75mph. Although, it's climb-rate was just 425fpm on a cold day if properly loaded. Many were too heavy, so several crashed after failing to climb over trees on hot, moderate density altitude days. Ideally, these need 22-25hp to reach 630-770fpm at 480lbs, just to be safe and usable. There are free plans available on the web, but they leave much to be desired. Like, missing most useful dimensions. Here is a link to some free online-hosted plans: http://www.quickheads.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=29&Itemid=122 As Jon Matcho mentioned, quickheads is also a great source for high-quality information. I have purchased his excellent template package, and found it includes enough information between those templates, and online hosted plans, to complete the airframe, less engine. Most people who are trying to build one of these little buggers, will benefit greatly from purchasing the full info-pack. Because it includes the templates for hot-wire cutting the foam wing cores, plus CAD files for CNC parts and weldments. It also includes the owners-manual with performance, weight and balance info. I personally recommend this; for the best info available, and a good deal with everything included, just splurge on the $99 package HERE: Again, the main issue preventing many people from completing or flying these, is a lack of engine options and installation instructions. But this fellow seems to have had good luck with a Kholer V-twin: My personal endeavor with the single-seat Quickie (Q1), is a complete and total reverse-engineering, with significant aerodynamic and structural analysis. I've modeled enough of the known-geometry to derive the unknown dimensions. Many of those that were given in the original plans are egregiously inaccurate! The QPC's issued, and also the (very good templates) I purchased from the above, simply DO NOT account for the incorrect seat-back bulkhead dimensions, which were provided by QAC to builders in the plans, but were never identified as incorrect. Looking at builders photos and videos, I see they made do with it. I've included an attachment of a VERY POOR quality, freely downloaded plan. Only because it includes many of my design notes, and missing dimensions derived from CAD. It serves as a quick-reference for ideas I've already explored, and should prove useful to future builders. Airfoils; while those Templates included in the above $99 package will certainly work for any future builders, I went ahead and gathered the original airfoil ordinate data from University of Glasgow and Dr. Richard Eppler's papers to work from. They are also available free from Airfoiltools website. I have re-constructed the design, and created an aerodynamic model in an attempt to determine Burt's stability and control derivatives. He knew what he was doing! E.g. Some items are less than desirable from a control standpoint (inboard ailerons), but they offer a significant improvement in preventing the rear wingtips from stalling. The overall concept and design philosophy is coherent. My (future) model will end up being re-designed, having found most of the the unknowns, the new version will have a few upgrades in certain areas; a new canard airfoil of which the front 70% is completely re-designed (By true inverse-design methods) for the Q1's specific flight conditions, build methods, and previously designed hardware and controls, limiting the amount of systems engineering effort required. While also improving in certain areas, like construction tolerances, rain trim, bugs, and may offer a moderately-increased gross weight. The other major area is a proper powerplant installation, with several common Aero-engine features. (And some new ones as well). Find attached, a few more items: Modified_Q1_Plans1.pdf Edited February 26 by Justin Jones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Wow, Justin, that's a fair bit of work you've put into that. The modified plans you attached seem to have some issues--a number of pages are missing or blank or out of order, particularly starting at chapter 15. Is that intentional? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Jones Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, zolotiyeruki said: Wow, Justin, that's a fair bit of work you've put into that. The modified plans you attached seem to have some issues--a number of pages are missing or blank or out of order, particularly starting at chapter 15. Is that intentional? Thank You. Those pages failed to save and became blank for an unknown reason. It saved everything else on all the other pages at the same time, even the notes! Unfortunately, I did not catch that issues before investing several more hours into it. One blanked-out page contains minor notes, the others did not have any, so the information I've added is all there. The missing pages are of lower importance anyway. This is just the free plans from JDfinley, which omits a lot of pages and several whole chapters as-is. It is unlikely that I'll do a completely new write-up, or even re-write all those notes onto a fresh doc. As that would represent a substantial amount of unneeded effort. The important notes are contained in the attachment above for future reference. (IMO, the page containing side consoles, seat back bulkhead, and seat bulkhead top portion are the most important. Followed by the fuselage sides and bottom layouts). The free plans on quickheads are best for a complete overview. And those available here for purchase, in conjunction with templates, are going to be a lot better for anyone who wants to build one of these from scratch. As for the pages for the LS1 canard, I deleted them early on, as it is unlikely a homebuilder is going to make their own tapered-tube carbon spar. I considered re-designing it with similar construction methods to the original. But the LS1 is not the appropriate solution to the GU canards issues, as a slotted flap creates its own safety concerns when used in this application. Once the CAD work is done, and everything fits correctly, some of those files will probably become available for use with this new crop of tabletop CNC routers. There really is no need for that level of precision, but it's cool. I think a nice 3-view, filled with dimensions and FS/BL/WL callouts, would greatly help other people. If and when I complete a flying example, it will have a new canard airfoil. And IF that works as intended, to resolve the known GU issues, those templates may also become available. The new airfoil is nearly identical. Though several changes to the leading-edge boundary layer development, transition ramp, and pressure recovery region are improved. The GU airfoil was not designed for a flap. Fixing it, while keeping the trailing edge, hinges, controls, and plans the same, took ...days. But I predict up to 5% better performance in many areas, no reduction in performance anywhere. And a LOT better lift/drag numbers at very low RN with large flap deflections. But most importantly, predicting an order of magnitude less variation in performance due to rain, bugs, and builder error.🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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