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I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or not, so I guess I'll just put it here.

 

I've decided, I'm sure much to the dismay of the rotary heads, to go with the Lycoming style XP 360.

 

Question: Does anyone out there know the best way to buy an engine from Superior? What I mean is, do they offer any special discounts during Sun-N-Fun/Oshkosh?

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

TIA


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I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or not, so I guess I'll just put it here.

Jerry, you have inspired me to create a sub-forum dedicated to the Superior XP-360 engine.

 

Do you happen to get Sport Aviation from the EAA? The February 2005 issue has 5 pages dedicated to a builder's experience with acquiring the Superior XP-360 engine (not to mention 9 pages dedicated to the Velocity 'Deception' [the plane with the alien paint job]). The author describes going to the factory and building and testing the engine himself, under factory supervision. I thought it was very nice that he was able to pick out cylinder heads that matched weights to the gram.

 

Options from Superior are:

  • order an engine and have it shipped assembled and tested, or
  • order an engine and have it shipped as a box of parts, or
  • go to the factory to observe your engine being built, or
  • go to Dallas, Texas and build it yourself.
The author described option #4. Great story.

Jon Matcho :busy:
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Yes. I plan on doing the "build your own" option at the facility. That way, I'll be able to work on it, as I have no experience whatsoever working with aircraft engines.

 

The decision came after a "daytrip" to the Cozy Girrl's project. While the rotary engine is absolutely wonderful in its simplicity, power to weight ratio, and price, there just isn't a firewall-aft package which you can buy and bolt on. There still is a lot of research and development to be done. Maybe someday when more of the technical details are worked out, the rotary engine will be a viable option for me. Until then, I just have to be happy with the 1940s technology which I feel has been significantly updated by Superior.

 

By the way, the Cozy Girrrls plane is smokin'! :cool:


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Cozy MKIV N85TT

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http://home.earthlink.net/~jerskip

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That way, I'll be able to work on it, as I have no experience whatsoever working with aircraft engines.

Somehow that makes perfect sense to me. :)

 

While the rotary engine is absolutely wonderful in its simplicity, power to weight ratio, and price, there just isn't a firewall-aft package which you can buy and bolt on.

Yet.

 

...a "daytrip" to the Cozy Girrl's project.

That had to be a good experience. I'd be worried about going at this stage in the game myself, for fear that I'd have to redo every part I've made to date. Take home any gems that you could share w/us?

Jon Matcho :busy:
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. Take home any gems that you could share w/us?

Make sure you checkout their website and read how to do their method of vacuum-bagging. Simple, simple, simple, and effective. (Did I mention simple? :D )

 

They also showed me their method for installing the windows using large-area washers side-by-side w/clecos to deter the nasty "scalloped edges' where the glass meets the plastic. (I may put more detailed pics on my website when I get there.)


"I run with scissors."

Cozy MKIV N85TT

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http://home.earthlink.net/~jerskip

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Make sure you checkout their website and read how to do their method of vacuum-bagging.

I already stole that idea and put it on my Web site.

 

They also showed me their method for installing the windows using large-area washers side-by-side w/clecos to deter the nasty "scalloped edges' where the glass meets the plastic. (I may put more detailed pics on my website when I get there.)

That I will look forward to!

Jon Matcho :busy:
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I've decided, I'm sure much to the dismay of the rotary heads, to go with the Lycoming style XP 360.

Jerry, was reading your Web site and see that you're mentioning Lycoming, but not the Superior? Have you changed your mind? I'm thinking www.xp-360.com myself.

Jon Matcho :busy:
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Well... It goes like this:

 

If I were going to go with a new engine, Superior would have my vote. (And did.... at that time.)

 

Then, I came across an engine for sale which is on a presently flying Cozy IV. The seller is switching to Mazda. I was able to get the entire firewall-aft package, including the propeller. This should save me a BUNCH of time.

 

And it also relieves me of the break-in worries while I'm doing high speed taxi testing.

 

Then, when I'm ready with a proven platform, I'll be more safely able to put either an XP360 OR Renesis, and break it in properly.

 

Who knows? This engine may become "The Legacy Engine" for Cozy builders coming behind me.


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http://home.earthlink.net/~jerskip

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No argument here -- very well thought out.

 

I came across an engine for sale which is on a presently flying Cozy IV.

It would be interesting to do a performance comparison on the "old" plane and yours. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure a comparison would give you some insight into your aircraft.

 

Who knows? This engine may become "The Legacy Engine" for Cozy builders coming behind me.

Now that would be cool -- put a 18-month time limit on owning it. After that it needs to go back into escrow for the next builder.

 

I forget where I read that if you bought and pickled a bunch of Lycoming engines way back, and sold today, your return on investment would be no joke.


Jon Matcho :busy:
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Is there any updates on the XP-360 around? Their website looks great, and reading about their build-school makes me wonder if I should look in that direction. Is there anyone using the XP-360 in a canard yet?


Erlend Moen
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Is there anything new about the situation at Superiors?

They went bankrupt and are history. Last I heard is that Lycoming was going to buy up the assets and rights.:irked:

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They went bankrupt and are history. Last I heard is that Lycoming was going to buy up the assets and rights.:irked:

From what I understand, the Lycoming deal (along with the competing offer by continental) fell through due to antitrust concerns. Basically DOJ started investigating the deal on the theory that Lycoming buying what is essentially it's competitor would lower competition in the marketplace too much.

 

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2009/090305superior.html

 

 

 

Jon McDonald

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