montun23

Thanks all, guess will hang it by the walls... 

Folks,

I have a cozy MK IV in my garage, and will start work on it soon. Whats the best way to store the wings? I have built some jigs but its taking up way too much space. I was thinking of using a platform and use pulleys and hoist it up so I get my real estate back on the floor. I have seen ppl hang it along the walls, using straps along the leading edge, not very comfortable with that.

Thoughts?

Thanks

MN

Congrats!

 

It looks like you might be able to get the wings on in your garage.

Thanks Kent, yeah maybe one at a time

There is a support pole right in the middle of the garage, which would maybe be RIGHT where the wing tanks are....

All,

wanted to provide an update on this, I was able to move the COZY from DEtroit to Kansas over the last weekend. Used a 20 ft trailer, 82 inches wide. got wide load permits for all states, well, cops never stopped me anyplace, the drive was ok, wansnt too bad, a few construction zones were a little tricky. reached Kansas last night, no issues with the move, no damages.... Had wrapped the plane in moving blanket and shrink wrapped it... the shrink wrap was maybe not rqequired, but was hard to keep the moving blankets on.. had to use a LOT of duct tape (no taping anywhere on the surface of the cozy), and a lot of shrink wrap (but took about 30 minutes to unpack). 

Wanted to share this for those who might want to move a cozy again. below are the pictures and some details of what I did,

- COZY loaded with the nose in the front

main gear legs on the trailer axle (the bulk of the weight is still in the front of the trailer axle)

wiings laid next to each other with minor overlap of the trailing edhes (moving blanket and foam in between to prevent damage)

wooden studs screwed to the trailer floor and padded to stop the wings or other parts from moving

three 2 inch wooden blocks screwed one above the other used as "chocks" to prevent the cozy from moving back and forth

foam pads under the nose

ratchet tie downs in the spar holes to prevent aircraft rolling

tie down along the top of the gear legs to prevent cozy from buckling foprward for any hard braking

took us 13 hours to load the trailer and abot 3 hours to unpack...

feel free to ask questions if you have any

https://photos.app.goo.gl/osmCxk0c4Fa111ZI2

Thanks Kent

I’ve had exerience with three canard airpanes and none of them could be trimmed hands-off for very long. The don’t have the designed-in stability of the Cessnas and Pipers i’ve flown. Yet, they do need trim control, otherwise you will go nuts trying to hold them straight. I am always gently making tiny stick inputs; could do with an autopilot but for VFR flying, i don’t mind. Keeps me awake. :-)

I have seen your modifications for the roll trim by the stick, something like that woudl meet my needs... will research more. 

Hello folks,

I dont have too many hours under the belt, but with all of my flying till date, I dont recollect a good use case for the roll trim (unless the rigging is messed up). I hve never really used roll trim, and most of the tin cans I fly, they DONT even have roll trim.

So my question is - on a Cozy 4, is there good value to have roll trim? I was thinking of getting rid of the stock roll trim on the panel, free up some space and make use of the real estate. 

Thoughts? could the big guns provide some input?

Thanks in advance.

MN

Manju apparently talked to someone familiar with the airplane. Post #145 above

Was in touch with the seller. he said that a person who previously inspected this project got in touch with him and told him about the epoxy. Thats when the seller switched the ad to "for parts"

Barnstormers:  New-to-me Cozy today and a cheap engine mount for you rotary fans.  No pics of the Cozy inside.  The EZ has been listed before but seller has a set of plans listed separately.  I saw a $25K Cozy listed on Facebook, acquired from an estate sale; finished but not yet flying; O-320.  It was gone the next day so it must have been snapped up.

the facebook cozy is back on barnstormers. the wings, strakes and fuel tank was built using Vinyl epoxy. good engine though. 0 SMOH, all logs and last ran 12/2017

Wow...!! It took me a while to go thru this thread, but i am AMAZED with the amount of information in here. Thank you all for maintaining this forum. Amazing job with the prop Kent. 

I see that there are no O-320s listed on Trade-a-plane and Wentworth has none for sale at the moment so maybe it's not so easy to find a rebuildable core.  Here is one on ebay with logs for $7K.  I would guess a core is worth at least $4K, even if runout and no logs. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lycoming-Runout-O320E2D-with-good-Logs/263404592070?hash=item3d54231bc6:g:8VYAAOSw4PxaGaxn&vxp=mtr

 

If you go into the "advanced search" feature on ebay, you can see what engines sold, or did not sell for.  The pawn shops camp on that page.  That's how they know how much to loan on what you pawn.  :-)

 

Here are some pics Manju sent me.  I don't think he'll mind if I link to them.  Let's do a pre-buy right here!

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMqny0nddKT4dlaACzPaPihr7_o_olipEiXIw8E6-YaXlwngjX0Is1ZDa4KKyQMtw?key=NS1hd1B5OTZXTkhwVkZvQlpsMF8xT2hfMi1oVmZn

Kent, your estimates I think are pretty accurate. I dont see too many E2Ds for sale, but generally in reading other groups and forums, I believe the E2Ds are one of those "bullet proof" engines Seen that term used a lot. 

Havent really decided yet...  maybe an AnP inspection on the engine, and if its good as is, I might just try to get the Cozy flying with this, use up the remaining 400-500 hours (which should be a good few years), and then invest in an IO-360 ]

I just grin every time I think of the project and I wonder if I am getting ahead of myself... 

Thats a good idea Kent... its not the correct engine for the MKIV, history unknown. What would that 320 be worth? $2000? $2500?

 

Also... do get your pre-buy. We've all seen some really poor workmanship here and there (not that its normal)... you want to start with one of the best projects, not one of the worst.

 

Do you have pictures you can share here? Price?

 

Are you getting signed up for the email list yet?

Detroit EAA chapter is assisting with the pre-buy. in touch with some real nice folks out there. Should be back up there mid Jan. 

Put in a request with Marc to get me added to the mailing list.. should be on there soon

What is the time and history on your O-320?  A  low time engine with a documented professional overhaul would sell rather easily, I'm guessing.  If it's over 1000 hours then it's probably not worth the time and money trying to increase the HP but someone would buy it for the time remaining.  Then take that money and buy an overhauled O-360 or watch the salvage yards and ads for a good deal on an O-360.  There is a lot to know about using and buying engines.  Google John Deakin, Mike Busch Avweb, and "Sky Ranch Engine Manual".  They have written a lot about them over the years.  Good stuff.

Kent, it has 1500 hours, pickled for the last 8 years or so. as of now, most likely it has no logs. seller isint sure if its there or not at this time. 

Ok... we are sorry for the thread drift here...   

 

We should be using the terms "parallel valve"  (lightweight 360, typically 180hp)  and "angle valve" (heavyweight 360, typically 200 hp).

 

The lightweight IO-360 you listed (the L2A) is rated at only 160HP.  The lightweight IO-360's are typically parallel valve engines and they are typically rated at 180 hp.

If you want the additional 20HP, you need to look at the heavier (20 to 40 lbs) angle valve engines.

 

Most builders do not build their own engine cowlings... its cheaper and much easier to buy one from Featherlite.

 

Most EZ's and Cozy's that actually go places and fly a lot have airplane engines.

The project I am looking at has an O320 E2D "wide deck" with an "A" in the serial number. I have seen posts where you could upgrade to 160 hp using high compression pistons. I am assuming there is no way to get that to 180 HP. has anybody got such  a conversion? is it worth it at all? or instead just swap the engine out to an O 360?

Hello all, 

Thanks for all your inputs. Been talking to a few folks and been looking up the "oversized" load regulations. looks like I should be able to haul it on a flat bed as long as it under 12 feet tip to tip without too much paper work or without pilot vehicles. Will make sure that the strakes are at over 6 ft ground up for safety purposes. Will be passing thru Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, MO and KS. 

As for the engine, very inclined to swap it to an O-360. 

Is there a cozy builders/owners list? I am looking for somebody in the detroit area who could potentially assist with a pre-buy inspection. will put up a link with the pics soon...!!

Appreciate all the input folks. 

Thanks

Hello Folks,

new to this community and am very excited to take on a Cozy IV project. The project has a complete airframe, engine installed, missing electrical and avionics and all the cosmetics. The project is located in Detroit and I am in Kansas. ANY IDEAS on how to move it? with the wings removed, I believe the width sits around 12 feet with the strakes tip to tip. 

Also, any estimates on a performance with an O-320? this is what the project currently has installed, might consider switching to an O-360. 

Any and all help is truly appreciated

Regards

Manju 

Ha!  That's a question for Marc.  I had a 150 hp engine so you might compare that to your electric hp.  I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but frankly, I think you're wasting your time with the electric motors and batteries.  Nothing beats the energy-density of gasoline.  How about nuclear?  :-)

 Kent, 

what is are your cruise speeds? I am considering an O320 on a cozy IV and was curious to know the performance numbers. I assume you have a Fixed pitch prop? could you provide your IAS and TAS at altitude with WOT or the regular 65%-75% setting?