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Resurrecting the canard sale thread I used to post at the other site.

http://forum.canardaviation.com/showthread.php?t=5955&highlight=sales+I%27ve+seen

Feel free to add any sales you come across.

 

This today on Barnstormers.  Yes, it does sound like a good buy.  No pics

 


 

 

COZY MK IV PROJECT • $3,000 • GREAT BUY • Tub, partial canard, gear hoop, plans, table, hotbox, lots of supplies! Delivery negotiable! • ContactRyan R. Kyzar, Owner - located Warner Robins, GA USA • Telephone: 6624359593 

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This one yesterday on Barnstormers:

1988 LONG EZ O-235L2C • $28,500 • FLY RIGHT NOW • Nice Long EZ, flies great.VFR, 985 hrs TTAF, insp 10/14, Lyc. O-235-L2C 985 SMOH, chrome cyl., B&T 62X66 prop, elec speed brake, new upholstery, KX125, Narco xpndr, intercom, new seatbelts, new in the box B&C 40A alt &voltage reg & install kit, new westach gauges, new elec tach, carb overhaul, new brakes and fluid, wheel bearings repacked, custom fabric cover and prop cover.extra B&T 62X66 prop, with all my composite materials for maintenance and repairs & Rutans video on building composites ! A GREAT DEAL if you are looking for an solid, flying EZ with a lot of potential. • Contact Larry Bradshaw, Owner - located Edgewood, TX USA • Telephone: 214 476 5498 . 903 896 7680 • Posted December 2, 2014

 

I had a guy tell me once "With airplanes, all the money is in the engine."  The question is, what is a 1000 hour O-235 worth?

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One more thing impacting sales:  I have noticed the price of canard airplanes getting depressingly cheap and attributed it to the economy but this article in Avweb below seems the more likely reason.  In 1980 the pilot population was 357479.  Now it is 47% lower at 188,000.  Also 1980 was the peak, I'd guess,  of interest in the Rutan designs.  A lot of those 1970's and 1980's builders are aging-out now and selling.

 

On the other hand, the price of materials seem at least 30-40% higher than when I built my Cozy so it seems like a great time to buy an airplane vs build one . . . but then you miss most of the fun.  Still, buying an older EZ and upgrading it can be a lot of fun, too.

http://www.avweb.com/news/features/GAs-Difficult-Climb-Back222927-1.html

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Kent,

 

I am amazed at the ones the guys are asking 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of what we see showing sold on sites like barnstormers or even the ones that show up on ebay repeatedly because the real buyers are not willing to pay the asking price or the bid up price by folks that had no intention of buying in the first place......or in the case of the long Ez with main retracts that recently sold and I see the new owner/buyer is now trying to sell it after flying it home .....always a head scratcher for sure

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Excellent points about the cold hard reality of economics.  

 

The other factor, I think, is that the Cozy is the only canard that is "really" available.  Sure you can build anything, but this is the perception IMO (which is also why I chose the Cozy IV plans as my first).

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Kent,

I am amazed at the ones the guys are asking 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of what we see showing sold on sites like barnstormers or even the ones that show up on ebay repeatedly because the real buyers are not willing to pay the asking price or the bid up price by folks that had no intention of buying in the first place......or in the case of the long Ez with main retracts that recently sold and I see the new owner/buyer is now trying to sell it after flying it home .....always a head scratcher for sure

Yes, i think some sellers do not appreciate the economic and pilot numbers. At one time i thought i could get $10k more for my Cozy than i would probably get today.

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....or in the case of the long Ez with main retracts that recently sold and I see the new owner/buyer is now trying to sell it after flying it home .....always a head scratcher for sure

 

At least he got to fly it home!  :rolleyes:

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James,

 

I bought the Eze out of CA. GREAT airplane this is my 3 canard and I wouldn't sell except momma isn't happy. She wasn't happy about me buying it but I had already made a deal with the seller and I like to keep my word! I fly it almost everyday but the weekend when I'm home. I fly corporate and have a mtc shop so I'm with it everyday. She just doesn't like the fact I have a toy that I cant bring home when we live on a 4500' grass runway.

 

Thanks,

 

Chris Cox

 

PS- trip home was great! 1 day 9.8 hrs less than $400 in fuel from CA-GA... You can look it up on Flightaware N504WB

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Today on Barnstormers:   LOW TIME COZY MK IV • $80,199 • NEW TO MARKET • I have a Cozy MK-IV completed 08/06. It currently has 740TTSN airframe and engine. It has a ECI TMX-360 built by Mattituck. With a Catto three bladed prop, re-finished DEC2012 by Catto. The engine includes SilverHawk fuel injection, and one Plazma III electronic ignition. The panel includes a Dynon 10A with remote compass, and a Dynon EMS-10. I also have certified airspeed, altimeter and turn and bank. Radio package is a Garmin GNS430, GMA340 audio panel, and GTX327 transponder. Also has a TRIO autopilot and altitude hold. Fresh annual and IFR check complete 09/14. 7GPH at 165 KTAS.CFI owned • Contact Bryan Brooks, Owner - located Manhattan, KS USA • Telephone: 3158041396 . • Posted December 13, 2014

 

Nice airplane but fully priced, I would guess.

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Today on Barnstormers:   LOW TIME COZY MK IV • $80,199 • NEW TO MARKET ... Nice airplane but fully priced, I would guess.

This is Tim Lumpp's aircraft, and it's very nice - I've flown in it. Hope he gets what he's asking and starts raising the prices of COZY's again.

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Today on Barnstormers:  It raises a question mark with me when the airplane is pictured on a trailer.  Wrecked?  More pics there but they are blurry.  WTF Isaac?

DRAGONFLY MK 1 • $8,000 • FOR SALE OR TRADE • 1835VW70TT, garmin250nav/com GPS, empty623 Gross1150, 180mphTAS at max cruise Clean plane • Contact Isaac S. Mcpeek, Owner - located Marietta, OH USA • Telephone: 1-740-538-4725 . • Posted December 15, 2014

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B-stormers:   "As is" hangar queen but a lot of airplane for the money here if you can get it home.  Wife selling?  Nothing wrong with a Franklin AFAIK

 

1997 VELOCITY SE RG • $29,000 • FOR SALE BY OWNER • Dual rudder/central Stick Franklin Engine PZL-F 3A350 Series OO 220HP Propeller MTV-12-D/RD 165-101 Hobbs meter 289.6 Transponder Bendix/King KT 76A - TSO VHF Comm Transceiver Bendix King KY 97A - TSO Autopilot 2-axis Century 2000 Radio/CD Sony EXCD-31 Hangared at Merritt Island Airport, Florida Price "AS IS" Pick up at hangar Merritt Island Airport, Fl Present owner bought N8GL from first owner in May 2000 and has flown the aircraft only 4 times in 14 years. Engine zero time after overhaul February 13, 2007. Engine must be oiled and run in. Owner no longer able to fly. • Contact Glenda BusickAMERICAN INGENUITY, Owner - located Rockledge, FL USA • Telephone: 321-693-8787 . 321-639-8777 . • Posted December 16, 2014

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Barnstormers today:   20 year-old airplane with 205 hrs, essentially a museum-piece.  Nice paint.

COZY III PLUS • $45,500 • CHECK THIS OUT • 1995 Cozy III+ 205TT airframe 205 SMOH engine. Lycoming 0-360 180Hp. Catto Prop, Fuel injected. Dual radios. XM weather for ipad on board. • Contact Dan C. Schindler, Owner - located Mesquite, TX USA • Telephone: 214-985-9613 . • Posted January 2, 2015

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One more thing impacting sales:  I have noticed the price of canard airplanes getting depressingly cheap and attributed it to the economy but this article in Avweb below seems the more likely reason.  In 1980 the pilot population was 357479.  Now it is 47% lower at 188,000.  Also 1980 was the peak, I'd guess,  of interest in the Rutan designs.  A lot of those 1970's and 1980's builders are aging-out now and selling.

 

On the other hand, the price of materials seem at least 30-40% higher than when I built my Cozy so it seems like a great time to buy an airplane vs build one . . . but then you miss most of the fun.  Still, buying an older EZ and upgrading it can be a lot of fun, too.

http://www.avweb.com/news/features/GAs-Difficult-Climb-Back222927-1.html

 

Woody (the author of that article) is in my EAA chapter and I eat BBQ with him most Fridays.  He makes some great points I hadn't really thought about before, as I thought the economics were the biggest driver in the decline of GA.  It's such multifaceted issue, and sadly as Woody points out the downward trend not likely to be reversible.

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Barnstormers:

 

LONG-EZ - LOW TIME • $44,900 • FOR SALE BY BUILDER • Long-EZ plans # 1968 was built and is still owned by Bo Kreide in the Los Angeles area. It was first flown in 1993 and has between 250 - 500 hours on the airframe and Mattituck rebuilt O-320-D3G engine. Condition Inspection in July, 2014. High quality builder - maintained to high standards - great cross country aircraft. Price reduced (some negotiation acceptable). Serious buyers, contact me for a copy of the complete Condition Inspection checklist, list of future discretionary work, and a more extensive set of pictures, aircraft logbooks and AROW documents. • Contact Marc J. Zeitlin - BURNSIDE AEROSPACE, Friend of Owner - located TEHACHAPI, CA USA • Telephone: 9785025251 . • Posted January 3, 2015

 

Yep, nice looking.  Appears to have a Roncz canard.  Also P-51 intake, football wheel pants and vacuum instruments.  The Zeitlin imprimatur is a plus   :)

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Yep, nice looking.  Appears to have a Roncz canard.  Also P-51 intake, football wheel pants and vacuum instruments.  The Zeitlin imprimatur is a plus   :)

Not to everyone, as recent discussions on the c-a list have shown :-).

 

This is the nicest flying Long-EZ I've ever flown - not sure exactly what it was, but it just felt GOOD. And yes, it's a Roncz.

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LONGEZ SUBARU 2.5L $11500 OBO • FOR SALE BY BUILDER • LongEz Serial #1106, Built by A&P and machinist. All Canard Pusher updates included, drawings, plans, construction logs, invoices, photos and extensive information to complete. Fuselage, wings and engine installation can be completed for less than $3000 excluding instruments. Task Strake kit, Subaru 2.5 L 165 hp aircraft conversion with Ross PSRU + matched prop, has 400 hrs on it pushing a Cozy IV, electric nose gear and speed brake, steel rollover and much more. Buy all for $10,500, save thousands. A typical aircraft kit will cost over $20 000 without engine or so much constructed. • VISIT MY WEBSITE • Contact Don Green, Owner - located Weirton, WV USA • Telephone: 304 723 45553 . 304 723 4553 • Posted January 5, 2015

 

Optimistic price for a rolling fuselage and loose auto engine conversion, IMO.  If it was me, I'd buy the airplane bits and let the seller deal with the engine.  $5K-$6K maybe.  Found this quote with a google search for Ross PRSU

 

 

I live in Dallas, where I have two pers. friends running rotary's with Ross re-drives. One in a Velocity, one in a Long-Eze. Those re-drives have been back and forth to Ross's shop for bad seals, bearings new bell housings etc. enough times to get their own frequent flyer acct.

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This one's been out there a few months now.  I think the seller has come down on his price.  

 

 

COZY III • $37,500 • FLY RIGHT NOW • GORGEOUS COZY III.$37,500 129 HRS SINCE NEW FRAME, LYC 0290 129 HRS SMOH, PRINCE WOOD PROP RANGE 1,000 NM.FUEL CAP 52 GALLONS.CLEVELAND BRAKES.FRESH ANNUAL , NEW TIRES.45 AMP ALTERNATOR.NEWER INTERIOR.PLANE LOCATED IN ZEPHYRHILLS FL . CALL MARK AT 2013048957 OR JERRY AT 727-656 1177 • Contact Mark Kopanski, Friend of Owner - located Land O Lakes, FL USA • Telephone: 2013048957 . 8134755172 . • Fax: 8134755172 • Posted January 5, 2015

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This one's been out there a few months now.

I'll say. I did a pre-buy on this plane for a prospective buyer back in March.

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For the record, here it is.  No bids yet starting at $4060.  Looks pretty good.  I imagine the photos and signed plans (see ad) would satisfy the FAA to get a Repairman's Certificate if you document the rest pretty well.  There is still a lot to do on it with wiring, engine, and paint.  My experience is that inspectors mostly look at pictures.

This is an unfinished Varieze project.  It was been stored and worked on at hangars at Montgomery Field and Palomar Airport near San Diego, CA for a few years.  I have stored and worked on it in my garage for the past 6 years.  It comes with no formal builders logbooks but has digital photos and plans with each paragraph signed and dated as it was being built. The fiberglass work is excellent.  Has most structural parts to finish, including wings and engine cowl, except no ailerons and control tubing, but it has control pieces). See photos.  Selling "As Is"; "No Return"; Local Pickup only! I would suggest you come see it.  Its located here in Fallbrook, CA.

 

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Here are some very old (20+ years) Cozy IV plans for sale at $250 on eBay1?ff3=2&pub=5575111616&toolid=10001&campid=5337630070&customid=&item=261619666557&mpt=[CACHEBUSTER].

 

Personally speaking I do not find the $250 discount worth the aged paper and the drawings that were rolled with the wrong side out.  Then again, maybe Aircraft Spruce would replace the drawings for ~$50.  Still...

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Barnstormers today:

1988 RUTAN LONG E-Z • $35,000 • FOR SALE • 1988 Rutan Long E-Z, 518 hrs SNEW, Lycoming O-320 E2D, 40 gal fuel tank, Always hangared, $35K OBO • Contact Sam Winefordner - STONEHENGE AIR MUSEUM, Friend of Owner - located Fortine, MT USA • Telephone: 406-882-4714 . • Posted January 7, 2015

Below is a pic from his website.  Nice looking airplane.

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LONG EZ PLANE • $7,500 • FOR SALE • project half way done...have blue prints, needs seats, engine, and gauges. • Contact Pat Nunley, Owner - located Palmer, TN USA • Telephone: 1-931-779-4288 • Posted January 7, 2015

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Hat tip to Marc for this one at Controller.com for $10K AND IT"S ALL FINISHED!

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/COZY-MARK-IV/1999-COZY-MARK-IV/1355119.htm

 Marc says not flyable and never will be, mount it on a pole.  That's harsh, Marc.  :-)   Lots of good parts there but it looks heavy.  I bet our late friend Zubair could do something with it, though.  RIP Zub.

 

It would be interesting to know the background on that one. I did a cozy archive search for builder Dan Moss and only saw one post from 1995.

 

There is something about fellows who  build these airplanes and do not become active in the various lists and sites that support them.   Their airplanes don't turn out as well.  Seeing, posting and talking about ideas raises the quality.

 

Some years ago, I inspected a Long-EZ built by a chap over a 20 year period.  This fellow apparently never went to see another EZ under construction, was not on any of the lists, hadn't flown himself for years and knew only what he saw in the Canard Pushers.  His airplane was heavy, ugly and had some weird features (that the builder was quite proud of).  Heck, I lived a few miles away and he never came to see my project.  Talk about ignoring some superb workmanship!   ;)

 

You know how an EZ/Cozy will usually not sit on three wheels without tipping back? This EZ would sit on three wheels and it took a good stout lift to get the nosewheel off the ground.  He had done such things as run grounding wires to every piece of metal on the airplane.  Someone told him this would be good for lightning protection, as I recall.

 

Oh well . . .

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