Limo EZ Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Does anyone have any recommendations on spray guns for shooting PPG Concepts Acrylic Urethane? I have a Binks 18 and the literature calls for a 1.3 - 1.6 mm tip. I have seen paint sprayed with HVLP and most of them had orange peel. Thanks for any help. Joe Berki Limo EZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickh Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 SATA. Pricey, but worth it. May not be a wise investment for a single use though. A gravity feed HVLP can use a smaller tip/needle, or so I've found. Rick Quote Rick Hall; MK-IV plans #1477; cozy.zggtr.org Build status: 1-7, bits of 8-9, 10, 14 done! Working on engine/prop/avionics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Anyone use an airless apply this material? Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Morrison Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hey Joe Use what you are used to. Conventional guns work just fine, just more overspray but not a problem. HVLP guns are also very good if you want to spend the dollars for a good one, the cheep ones are crap. I sprayed with all kinds of guns and still like the devillbis with a 30 head. binks 7 is also a very good gun for your project. As far as final sanding, 320 wet or dry is great, use a epoxy white sealer and paint . I prefer PPG products. If you have any questions, call me and I will give you some product numbers. (630) 688-1295 Jack E Racer Extreme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Morrison Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hey Joe Use what you are used to. Conventional guns work just fine, just more overspray but not a problem. HVLP guns are also very good if you want to spend the dollars for a good one, the cheap ones are crap. I sprayed with all kinds of guns and still like the devillbis with a 30 head. binks 7 is also a very good gun for your project. As far as final sanding, 320 wet or dry is great, use a epoxy white sealer and paint . I prefer PPG products. If you have any questions, call me and I will give you some product numbers. (630) 688-1295 Jack E Racer Extreme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 I loaded a small quantity of PPG Concepts into the Binks 18 and shot some small parts. This paint is easy to use and looks great. If the surface is preped to 400 grit possibly 320 it should cover. I will try to paint the bottom tomorrow. Joe Berki Limo EZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Good luck Joe on the paint job. Take a picture and let us see the results I am curious. STeve Build on Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Steve, I will post pics but I don't think I can shoot today as i found more imperfections that need attention. Joe Berki Limo EZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Use what you are used to. Conventional guns work just fine, just more overspray but not a problem. HVLP guns are also very good if you want to spend the dollars for a good one, the cheep ones are crap. Ditto. For us amateurs, the skill of the painter has more effect than the gun. That said, the guns from Lowe's are a pretty good tradeoff in price/performance. I started using one of their smaller ones. I'd love to have a Sata but I probably couldn't see the difference over a cheaper gun. Preparation is the key. Get it right before you apply the primer. -Kent Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 ------- so, has anyonyone used an airless system to apply this material? Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I painted a van recently with an Accuspray gun I found on ebay and a homemade turbine from plans published a few years ago in Fine Woodworking. It came out just as nice as the high pressure guns I've used. See p. 122 here http://tinyurl.com/4c3s55 I've used the turbine a lot with an older style Sicmo hvlp gun with it and never got good atomization but the Accuspray is way better. I think the turbine is just a good as the commercial versions http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/glovebox/hvlp.html The trouble with the true HVLP turbine guns is that they're expensive. With regular compressed air guns you can have several--big, small, primer--and toss them when they get too grungy. -Kent Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 What I've used in the past for spraying lacquer type finishes on furniture is the airless system that puts out about 2500 PSI. The advantages are you can spray upside down and the hopper holds a lot more product which keeps your color consistant. I guess you would call it a HVHP system vs. a HVLP system. They also have reversible tips so you can flip the tip around backwards and blow out any clogging sediment and continue. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Emailed PPG and received some interesting feedback. PPG does not recommend airless for spaying DCC, results will be solvent pop and die back.They went on to say they did not recommend DCC for aircraft. It also see that (like most everything else associated with aircraft) they don't recommend trying this at home:PPG REFINISH MATERIALS ARE DESIGNED FOR APPLICATION BY PROFESSIONALLY, TRAINED PERSONNEL USING PROPER EQUIPMENT UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS, AND IS NOT INTENDED FOR SALE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Bottom line, I think this is one I'll hire out. I've seen a couple of "50 foot" homebuilts this summer and follow that up with Brad Carter's Long-EZ the weekend of Rough River. He flew it up to the quickie Fly-in in Beatrice, NE and took some time to go over some of the things he thought worked for him and a couple others he would bypass. Great looking plane at 1000 plus hours. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Bottom line, I think this is one I'll hire out. Never heard of anyone using airless sprayers for cars or airplanes. Aren't those things mostly for houses? I've painted cars and my airplane outdoors with good results. Wait for a calm morning, get up early, spray before the wind comes up, have some tweezers to pick out the occasional bug, expect to do a little polishing later. With white finishes, it isn't hard to make something look pretty good. I'd suggest try painting a wing or canard. If you are happy, paint the whole thing. A couple of outdoor jobs: Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 I attempted painting today. Fresh air supply with full face mask is the way to go. Joe Berki Limo EZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Joe: It looks nice and shiny. Will you be able to fly it next week? Thanks for the picture. STeve build on Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 Shot the white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 Sorry, this site won't let me post pics again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo EZ Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Shot the white today, cold weather is on it's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.