Kirk Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Kirk here.... I've been a fan of flying ever since I went up in my dads Ercoupe when I was 6 (1974) Was interested in canards back in the 90's, but marriage, kids, divorce, marriage and several kids take priority over toys. It's time to stop thinking and start doing! I'm not gettin any younger!! (Even if I do get better looking every day.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Welcome Kirk! We share very similar history (although "several" kids is more than I could handle ). My uncle took me up for my first ride when I was young. I loved it, but took me until the 90s as well before I started looking at canards. I've been setting myself up to declare that 2015 will be "my year" as that is so true: We're not getting any younger! I'll be looking forward to your questions and wishing you some airplane-related presents this season! Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Woohoo 2015!! I'm ordering plans this year if it's the last thing I do! I keep thinking about it and like I said, thinking isn't DOING! I do have several questions and I will post them under the correct forums... gotta get my budget planned out here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Check out projects being sold. There are several each year. One now on Barnstormers.com for $3000. Search for "cozy". Lots of value in those abandoned projects Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Check out projects being sold. There are several each year. One now on Barnstormers.com for $3000. Search for "cozy". Lots of value in those abandoned projects I've seen that one on Barnstormers Kent... that one has crossed my mind more than once! While I wouldn't mind going that route, my amenities won't allow that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 That Barnstormer's project is typical, but I always wonder about taking someone else's flying surfaces ("partial canard"). That's just me as a builder. Still, it's hard to mess up the fuselage ("the tub") unless you're totally sloppy. The gear hoop is $500 I recall. Not trying to discourage you, but you'll spend more to get yourself to that same stage. If you did buy plans you could sell them the next day for $350 if it didn't work out, maybe more. There's a ton of work just to read-through and prepare yourself for next steps. I believe you'll still have to update the plans with the corrections (unless AS&S has brought the Cozy IV plans to the next revision). I was on a tight budget when I started (and still am!) which is why I and many others prefer the plans "pay as you go" approach. You got this! Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 That Barnstormer's project is typical, but I always wonder about taking someone else's flying surfaces ("partial canard"). That is understandable but I can only recall two airplanes with significant structural failures. In one, the builder got allergies, close relatives completed the build but left off crucial layups in the winglet attachment, winglet came off, killed builder. In the other a year or two ago, a winglet began to show cracks at the attach point but it was discovered before an accident. I've never heard of a defective canard although some years ago, a fellow named Fitzgerald was selling clearly-substandard canards. I have only seen one project that I would be reluctant to fly in. Even that one is flying. Most builders are very careful. It is the non-aircraft engines that worry me. Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swrothert Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Kirk, There are several Ez flying at Meadow Lake. I keep my Long-Ez there and share a hanger with another one. I know of one that is being built and almost finished. Send me an email and we can find a time to meet over the holidays. (swrothert@yahoo.com) The EZ is a blast to fly but it takes a significant commitment to build and support of the family. Steve Rothert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Kent, yes, very true. I should have pointed out my desire to build every single part of the plane (although not including the bow, nose gear, canopy, avionics, engine, screws, etc.) There are several Ez flying at Meadow Lake. I keep my Long-Ez there and share a hanger with another one. I know of one that is being built and almost finished. Send me an email and we can find a time to meet over the holidays. Uh oh... the hook might be set soon enough ...it takes a significant commitment to build and support of the family. In addition to some money, it's definitely time, patience and support from others. A spouse, a partner, kids, the community -- anything helps. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Ashton Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 In the other a year or two ago, a winglet began to show cracks at the attach point but it was discovered before an accident. Here is that incident. It was interesting for me to re-read it because i am replacing a crooked winglet. http://www.cozybuilders.org/N7999H_Accident_Eval/ Quote -KentCozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Wow, the plane flew for 22 years before the structure was compromised (from improper use of materials).I wonder how long properly built parts last?! Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 That Barnstormer's project is typical, but I always wonder about taking someone else's flying surfaces ("partial canard"). That's just me as a builder. Still, it's hard to mess up the fuselage ("the tub") unless you're totally sloppy. The gear hoop is $500 I recall. Not trying to discourage you, but you'll spend more to get yourself to that same stage. If you did buy plans you could sell them the next day for $350 if it didn't work out, maybe more. There's a ton of work just to read-through and prepare yourself for next steps. I believe you'll still have to update the plans with the corrections (unless AS&S has brought the Cozy IV plans to the next revision). I was on a tight budget when I started (and still am!) which is why I and many others prefer the plans "pay as you go" approach. You got this! Yesterday I was thinking about "someone elses project" and I don't think I could go that route simply because "I" didn't build it! I would always have unanswered questions about THAT PART of the build..... so, if I'm going to do it... I'm going to do ALL of it! So it will be the plans route for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 That is understandable but I can only recall two airplanes with significant structural failures. In one, the builder got allergies, close relatives completed the build but left off crucial layups in the winglet attachment, winglet came off, killed builder. In the other a year or two ago, a winglet began to show cracks at the attach point but it was discovered before an accident. I've never heard of a defective canard although some years ago, a fellow named Fitzgerald was selling clearly-substandard canards. I have only seen one project that I would be reluctant to fly in. Even that one is flying. Most builders are very careful. It is the non-aircraft engines that worry me. They key word is "MOST" builders are safe.... while an inspection of their work would show signs of good or bad workmanship, I'm just the kind of person that wants to do it myself. I guess if time was the key factor a partial build would be great, but in my case, time I have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Kirk, There are several Ez flying at Meadow Lake. I keep my Long-Ez there and share a hanger with another one. I know of one that is being built and almost finished. Send me an email and we can find a time to meet over the holidays. (swrothert@yahoo.com) The EZ is a blast to fly but it takes a significant commitment to build and support of the family. Steve Rothert I will take you up on that Steve, maybe new years weekend'ish......I'll email you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Uh oh... the hook might be set soon enough Hook, line, and sinker! Can't pass up an invitation like that, now could I!! Edited December 24, 2014 by Kirk Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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