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I see that the Cozy III project in post #142 did not sell.  Bidding only went to about $1300.  I don't know why sellers start the bidding at $100 when their reserve is in the thousands.  It just wastes everybody's time.  For an ebay sale, I would state my reserve in the ad or start the bidding just below the reserve, or just use a "make offer" ad.  I have bought a lot of junk on Craigslist over the years but when the seller doesn't put a price on his item, or a car-seller doesn't list the milage, I don't waste time on them.  "Serious Only!"  :-)

 

Cozy III on B-stormers yesterday.  I bet some nice graphics would help to sell it.  For reference: N89MC

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Was in touch with the seller. he said that a person who previously inspected this project got in touch with him and told him about the epoxy. Thats when the seller switched the ad to "for parts"

Is there a way to tell if Vinyl resin was used? I’m going to look at the plane tomorrow and look through all the paperwork.

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Is there a way to tell if Vinyl resin was used? I’m going to look at the plane tomorrow and look through all the paperwork.

Here's what the current owner told me:

"He said the builder acquired the wing spar and fuselage already complete by someone who started the project. The builder then told him that he used the vinylester throughout the rest of the project."

 

I'd say that's a pretty good indication that vinylester resin was, in fact, used.

Given what Gary Hunter says about Vinylester curing in thin layers (using standard epoxy techniques) quoted by Kent in post #146 above, I would argue that this plane is a candidate for a chainsaw and that it's good for parts only (where parts is anything OTHER than the structure). It MAY be worth buying, given that, considering the asking price. I certainly wouldn't fly in it.

 

I do not, for the life of me, understand why people do things like this... 5 - 10 years of work for nothing, to save what - $300?

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A Cozy IV project with $43,000 of materials and 1000 hours of labor for #13,000.  No, this is not a scam.

 

See post #93    http://www.canardzone.com/forum/topic/21972-sales-ive-seen/?p=60354  and Craigs post today where he is selling this project.  

http://www.canardzone.com/forum/topic/31643-cozy-iv-project-for-sale/

I saw this one a good many years ago and the workmanship was very good.  I'm sure Craig continued that.  A deal doesn't come any better than that.  I will give my loyal readers a day to move on this deal, then just buy it and store it for my heirs or keep it for a spare airplane.

 

Not too often you can buy dollars for 20 cents each.  :-)

-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Re the Milwaukee project above

 Cozy 4 project for sale

 serial # 915 

I am selling my project because life has changed for me. I have a project that has many hours of labor and materials invested. This is an opportunity for someone to get a jump start on a cozy 4. Pictures are available on this link.https://www.snapfish.com/photo-gift/share?via=link&token=RoxcHSOydO8SFCjlYXZmrw/AUS/27947303691070/SNAPFISH More pictures could be made available.

 Project is in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 

Included for sale:

Complete plans serial number 915, built with MGS epoxy Fuselage tub complete with landing Break installed

Main landing gear reinforced and installed into fuselage

Two front landing struts

Wheels and brakes (NOT) included,have axles and set of tires and tubes to use while under construction

Have a set of wheel pants

Canard and elevators complete, canard not installed

Castoring fork assembly (Not included) 

Steve Wright electric retract with circuit board,

Nose not finished, have material to finish

Turtleback not done, have material to finish

Todd Silver canopy and side windows

Rudder and brake pedals

Nose wheel with tire

Center section spar completed, Not installed

Wings and ailerons completed with hidden bellhorn conduit installed 

Wings lined up and line bored to main spar 

Winglets built not installed, rudder not cut out

Strakes and fuel tanks not started, have fuel caps

Have glass and foam to complete project, 

2 Full rolls of bid, 

Full roll of UND 

One roll peel ply

Complete set of cozy newsletters

Also have miscellaneous hardware and tools, 

electric level, fien tool, epoxy pump, brushes, 

mixing cups, 

some epoxy, out of date 

Would like to sell as project not piece by piece

 asking $7000 OBO

 

-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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This ERacer today.    I have to scratch my head at an ad like this.  First, he says it's on the gear but the pics do not show that.  It has four pics but two are the same.  Says "all major parts built" but strakes and winglets are pretty major--where are they?  No pic or information on the turboprop included.  On top of that he's asking a lot for a project, turbo engine or not.

 

 I was just reading an article on selling bikes.  The writer said when a seller posts pics of bike in the corner of the garage surrounded by a bunch of junk, pass it by.   However, there's a buyer for everything if the price is right.

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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It's mentioned in the title of the ad, but not the body, and you'd think it be worthy of a pic or mention in the ad.

 

Also, Kent, thanks for the mention of my project!  I'm still not sure what relevance the EZPoxy reference has, although I' thought Dennis' wings were build using MGS.

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 I'm still not sure what relevance the EZPoxy reference has, although I' thought Dennis' wings were build using MGS.

That post mentioning EZ Poxy is not referring to your aircraft project for sale... it is referring to a different project in earlier posts that may have had some portion built using vinylester resin.

 

Also... Dennis used different epoxies at different times.  He built my canard... one of the last ones he built.... and he used EZ Poxy.

Andrew Anunson

I work underground and I play in the sky... no problem

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Today's B-stormers.  Have we seen this Defiant project before?  Probably.  Fully priced for this market, I would say.  He's trying to recoup his cost of materials.  Good luck with that!  :-)

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Pretty low price on this Varieze today.  However, the inside looks like it might have been a flying airplane at one time.  If so, that complicates things: you might not be able to get a Repairman's Certificate if one has already been issued.  It could be re-registered if you can establish the old N-number and get the old Operating Limitations from the FAA.  Judging by the dust on the engine, it has been sitting a while.  Just speculating.

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Pretty low price on this Varieze today.  However, the inside looks like it might have been a flying airplane at one time.  If so, that complicates things: you might not be able to get a Repairman's Certificate if one has already been issued.  It could be re-registered if you can establish the old N-number and get the old Operating Limitations from the FAA.

I agree - it's fairly obviously been a flying airplane that was built a long time ago, and not advertised as such. The interior (as you state) and the residual paint on the ends of the main spars give it away.

 

Depending upon how honest one was, this would complicate getting the RC ONLY if the new owner NEW what "N" number the plane had been issued previously and tried to re-register it with that "N" number AND the RC had been issued for that plane. This sort of nonsense happens all the time - someone buys a basket case and makes believe that they built the whole plane. How would the FSDO/DAR know? I do not, in any way, advocate this sort of monkey business, but it happens...

 

There's no issue getting the AC as EAB either way, though, since a VE is obviously a plans built plane and there's no evidence that it was built professionally - the new owner just has to sign the affidavit of it being amateur built.

 

What would worry me, though, is that if the current seller isn't telling the whole story of what the plane is (another thing that happens all the time) then what else are they not telling you?

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There's no issue getting the AC as EAB either way, though, since a VE is obviously a plans built plane and there's no evidence that it was built professionally - the new owner just has to sign the affidavit of it being amateur built.

 

 

Yeah but I would think it unlikely that the current owner does not know the N-number, even if painted over.  With that, a FSDO will replace the lost AC.  

see p. 2-17 here    https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/8130.2G.pdf

Then you can get the existing Ops Limits reissued or apply for updated ones.  I imagine a Repairman's Certificate was issued so the buyer couldn't get that.   I am sure the FAA would not want to issue a new/second AC on the same airframe

 

An RV-6 near me was donated to a local museum by a chap afraid of seller's liability.  It was never supposed to fly again: engine removed, wires cut.  A couple of years later it shows up at my airport all prettied up and flying again.   I suppose the musuem sold it and the new owner just reapplied for a lost AC.  

-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Yeah but I would think it unlikely that the current owner does not know the N-number, even if painted over.  With that, a FSDO will replace the lost AC...

Yeah, you're missing my point :-). Some folks WANT to get the RC for an airplane, so if the airframe conveniently "disappeared" and then "parts" were salvaged to build a new plane, the new plane could be AC'd, registered and an RC could be issued. Legal? Eh. Does it happen? A lot, as you pointed out. In either case (at least if you want updated OL's, depending upon what FSDO/DAR you use) you'll still need an inspection for the AC/OL's, and even if you didn't, the small cost of the inspection is worth a lot to folks if they can get an RC on an otherwise "brand new" airplane.

 

Whether the current owner knows what the registration of the airplane may or may not have been previous to his acquisition, my working assumption is that he's representing this airplane as having never before BEEN an airplane. But a phone call would determine that, if I gave a FF...

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Been away; catching up today.  If you have never taken a Viking river cruise, I highly recommend.  Book early to get 2-for-1 pricing and free airfare.  The service is superb.  After landing at your Euro destination you never handle your bags again, meals are gourmet, tour guides are excellent, Viking shuttles you into the city on its own busses.  It's just a danged nice experience.  Anyway . . .

 

This Cozy in Georgia recently (below).  See, now this is how you build an airplane and save big,  He probably has $10-15K in it at this point and you get 1000 hours of labor at 2 cents/hr.  Who says slavery has been outlawed!  Looks pretty good so far.

 

And this Varieze with no pics and no price.  Beg for them.  :-(

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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Two today: First, Long-EZ N974EZ with zero-time O-320--I guess you get to be the test pilot there.  I thought we'd seen this one but went back through the posts and no.  It needs some updating, a modern prop and maybe wheel pants.  Nothing wrong with this airplane that I can see but with so many nice ones around that are IFR and need very little . . .

 

Also a 200 hour Quickie-1 with a massive 25 hp Kohler! I wonder what that was like to fly.  :-)  It is out of registration and I could not find an N-number for this one.

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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This Cozy III today.  I would not do a tilt-up canopy.  The only advantage I can see is entry from both sides of the airplane but many installations appear heavier than a stock canopy due to heavier mounting hardware and mounts and they block vision when taxiing.   A person may say "Oh, I can see through the center", then he taxis over a chock or ground point depression he missed.  I don't want my tongue to dry out, either.

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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This Varieze today:  Seller does not appear to be the builder.  He has several other airplanes but no Varieze registered.  Could be N4156W.  It'd be interesting to see the BMW engine installation.  He also calls it a "one seater

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=4156W

 

He says "serious inquiries please" yet posts no pics and it is fully priced.  Ha!  Serious sellers only!

 

Interesting that a search for Vari-eze/Varieze at the FAA registry turns up 797 airplanes.  More than I would have expected.

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-Kent
Cozy IV N13AM-750 hrs, Long-EZ-85 hrs and sold

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