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I got my cozy plans last summer.Ordered a large supply of supplies to build it-Than I found the openez:)!I always wanted a longez but will not pay that high price for the plans.If I do build a openez- I do have the terf cd printed out templates and plans to paper in a 3 ring binder w/ many other doc's.Will I be looked down on by longez pilots and builders when I or other openez guys show up at Rough River are any other fly-in's? P.s I have found out how to post.You will see me post a lot more in future I have been looking at (one guy calls plane porn) for 11 years now I'm redy to build can someone here help me make a choice?I I will fly alone mostly longez fits my mission more than a cozy- but don't want to make any bad friends w/that choice.OR should I not care what other people say-I'll have my openez to do what I want with;) thanks (KOOL RAY)

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GO FOR IT :cool2:

 

I think the "OpenEZ" project is the neatest thing in the world.

 

I bought my plans in 1987 from a person who changed their mind.

 

If I were doing this today, and I couldn't find a set of original plans at a reasonable price, I'd definantly build from the TERF disk.

 

Besideds, most of the people flying EZs today didn't build them, they bought them. ;)

 

Waiter

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Long EZ's are way cooler than Cozy's. Bwahahahahah!!!! :bad:

 

Let the flaming begin!

 

I'm on my third Long O'Haul after starting several long projects. (I've flown two!) :cool:

 

Build a Long from whatever source. Burt has disavowed the original Long support so you can always call it somethin' else. (Course it's still a Long, really.) All the good ideas are out there in airplanes in the last twenty years. Improvements, mods and such. Be careful who you talk to,,, some are just talkers!

 

My first EZ was one of the ugliest I had ever seen. One of the Okosh show winners stopped at my hometown airport and parked next to me. I was embarrassed and said so. But he said "It flies doesn't it?" That left a great impression on me that stuck. He flew formation with me out of the airport on his way home to Utah. I had flown it 500nm to visit my Ma and Pa and gave all my family rides. I flew ugly #2 to RR a few years back. It flew all the way from OK to Kentucky and I didn't care how it looked. Up yours snobby people!!!

'Course I'm grounded for sanding and finishing now to make it purdy. Wish I was flyin'!!!

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'Course I'm grounded for sanding and finishing now to make it purdy. Wish I was flyin'!!!

Me too. My original EZ was about a 6 incher. Looked very nice from about a 6 inches away.

 

Version #2 is about a 5 footer. Looks very nice from about 5 foot away, BUT, it flies. Its not still sitting in the shop while I spend another year sanding and filling.

 

And I agree, LongEZs are way, way cooler than Cozys.

 

Waiter

F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget

LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract

visit: www.iflyez.com

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And I agree, LongEZs are way, way cooler than Cozys.

 

Waiter

Do pax agree with that statement? I have not talked to one potential passenger who said they would prefer to sit in the back, looking at the back of my head for 3+ hours... :P:D

Phil Kriley

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Version #2 is about a 5 footer.

I've seen a few 50 footers locally. A defiant and a cozy.

 

I’m fairly meticulous so I imagine that is going to be apparent both inside and out. I’ve rebuilt some parts as a result of this ‘attitude’.

 

A five foot airplane is fine in my book. A fifty footer is not a goal I have for my project.

I guess I’m a snob.:(

T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18

Velocity/RG N951TM

Mann's Airplane Factory

We add rocket's to everything!

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Do pax agree with that statement? I have not talked to one potential passenger who said they would prefer to sit in the back, looking at the back of my head for 3+ hours... :P:D

Phil ..... could you post a pic of the back of your head?

I think that would explain a lot.

T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18

Velocity/RG N951TM

Mann's Airplane Factory

We add rocket's to everything!

4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done

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Back seat in a LongEZ (You must install a good thigh support and fake rudders that act as foot rests) is comfortable for about 2 hours, then you start getting squermy (is that a word?) at hour #3, Then at hour #4, your ready to kill someone.

 

If I have a GIB, I limit flights to about 3 - 3 1/2 max.

 

If the GIB gets to loud or obnoxous, I turn their O2 flow down a little bit and let them take a nap:D

 

Waiter

F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget

LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract

visit: www.iflyez.com

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Back seat in a LongEZ (You must install a good thigh support and fake rudders that act as foot rests) is comfortable for about 2 hours, then you start getting squermy (is that a word?) at hour #3, Then at hour #4, your ready to kill someone.

 

If I have a GIB, I limit flights to about 3 - 3 1/2 max.

 

If the GIB gets to loud or obnoxous, I turn their O2 flow down a little bit and let them take a nap:D

 

Waiter

Another suggestion might be to use Temperfoam for your seat cusheons. Much more comfortable on long trips not to mention the safety factor. One problem with it is that when you get into the plane and it is cold, it feels like you are sitting on concrete until it gets warmed up by your "natural glow", or the results of your high carbohydrate snack. (open the vents):irked:

I Canardly contain myself!

Rich :D

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I'll go on record as saying build what you REALLY are excited about.

This is a LONNNNNNNG sustained effort and only about 10% actually end up with a flying airplane because of it. If you are not COMPLETELY JAZZED about your plane and dont see it as a PLANE, instead of a "project", I dont think you are going to finish it. You will become one of the myriad builders with a "project" stuck in the garage that just gets on the significant others nerves until you sell it for less than the cost of the materials you have into it.

 

Side by side seating is VERY condusive to your significant others enjoyment of flying. If you have nobody to put back there, or dont plan on that, or dont value really sharing the flight experience, or dont plan on more than a 2 hour trip, then build a LongEze. LongEze's are VERY cool looking...even cooler looking than a Cozy. BUT, BUT, BUT if you have somebody that likes to fly with you, they are going to probably like it a lot less, sitting in the back feeling left out. There just that aspect to it. At all the flyin's that is what backseaters will tell you. They wish they could be up front, have the view from up front, chat easier and share the flight responsibilities and actually FLY the plane from the vantage point of the pilot to relieve the PIC during the flight. Many GIB's have said to me..."What are YOU building". Me; "A CozyIV", Them; " Oh, thats what I wish we had", or " I hope we can sell ours, and build/buy one of those next".

 

 

But finally, BUILD WHAT EXCITES YOU..and can keep your juices flowing for 4 or 6 or ? years while you go through all the ups and downs of emotions, while juggling life and building. Hopefully you will be one of the guys that actually flies his plane, instead of looking at parts partly assembled in the garage.

That's what I hope for me, anyway.

I visualize nightly what its going to be like pushing that throttle forward and the sensation of rocketing down the runway, rotating, and climbing out, in MY airplane...it keeps me going.

 

I would hands down have built a snarky looking LongEze [with a long nose =)], 'cept for the seating, so I made some changes to my Cozy that made it EXCITING TO ME...and thats why I love MY plane. To me its NOT a project...its a PLANE. I cant emphasis that enough.

 

These past few years I have touched elbows with and read many guys posts, and watched their conversations, posts and websites dwindle and stop progress-and it's for MANY reasons, not the least of which is just LIFE vs. building and the long timeline. You have to somehow SEE that if you stay with it, you will end up having something to FLY in the end. That concept gets lost for many. Turning infatuation of starting a build into a multi-year thing is your ticket to FLYING IT. Youve got to find a way to sustain your determination. Building what EXCITES you is a first step to that, the rest is just vision meeting reality. Sounds simple enough, 'till you try it.

Cheers, and good luck.

Self confessed Wingnut.

Now think about it...wouldn't you rather LIVE your life, rather than watch someone else's, on Reality T.V.?

Get up off that couch!!! =)

 

Progress; Fuselage on all three, with outside and inside nearly complete. 8 inch extended nose. FHC done. Canard finished. ERacer wings done with blended winglets. IO540 starting rebuild. Mounting Spar. Starting strake ribs.

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I'll go on record as saying build what you REALLY are excited about.

This is a LONNNNNNNG sustained effort and only about 10% actually end up with a flying airplane because of it. If you are not COMPLETELY JAZZED about your plane and dont see it as a PLANE, instead of a "project", I dont think you are going to finish it. You will become one of the myriad builders with a "project" stuck in the garage that just gets on the significant others nerves until you sell it for less than the cost of the materials you have into it.

 

You are right on target with this statement. I just "finished" a project that was started by someone else close to twenty years ago. Life gets in the way and projects are passed on. I'm not a true tree hugger but it is a shame to see so many nice projects sit idle for years and probably never get finished.

 

I'm flying off the hours and taking pride in finishing a really nice airplane. The original builder had done a nice job. I back pedalled a little and cut the short nose off and stretched it out. I don't know who built the Roncz canard but I chopped it up and built one from scratch. The main gear legs were too long so I trimmed them down and retrofitted with the Wortman airfoil.

 

Personally I think the Cozy is easier to build for the simple fact that you have more area on the instrument panel and firewall to install all the great hardware that is available now that wasn't an option twenty years ago. And yes I can say that 'cause I built two Cozys.

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Back seat in a LongEZ is comfortable for about 2 hours, then you start getting squermy (is that a word?) at hour #3, Then at hour #4, your ready to kill someone.

 

Waiter got it just about right. DaveB & I have flown for I think over 2 hours. The first time I was in back it was a little uncomfortable. But after you get use to setting and squirming around, it's very doable and enjoyable. But you have to WANT to be in back. I'm about 5'10" and vary between 200 to 220 lbs so it's a COZY fit. :P

Drew Chaplin (aka the Foam Whisperer)

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