Jon Matcho Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I have just found out that RAF has exhausted their supply of flush rudder bellhorn plans. As a result, I will look to have the plans scanned and made available as part of an Open-EZ download. Coming soon... stay tuned. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSwitch Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 In addition: RAF is also out of owner's manuals and is declared "finally closed". Long Live RAF! Quote Airspeed is Life - - Having lots of it is Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnum Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Jon, Couldn't have come at abetter time! I just ordered the bellhorns from CG and was about to shout out for some help. Let me know when they are up!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: Press on Tom Quote "Time flys when your building" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 A couple of different builders sent me pdf's of the flush rudder belhorn plans. I wont mention names to protect the inocent. I hope that we can get permission from raf to post them here. It seems only fair if they will not sell them anymore. Steve:( Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnum Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I would appreaciate anyone sending the PDF'S to me!!! No Really Tom Quote "Time flys when your building" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Magnum: Send me your email address I can send you some pdf files. STeve sharmon32@juno.com Quote Steve Harmon Lovin Life in Idaho Cozy IV Plans #1466 N232CZ http://websites.expercraft.com/bigsteve/ Working on Chapter 19,21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatSwitch Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 . . . .pdf files. STeveSteve - Thank You Very Much!Simple question for anyone in possession of a copy of the original Flush Rudder Bellhorn Plans:Were these plans printed on 18x24 paper?Thanks in advance. . .Hat Quote Airspeed is Life - - Having lots of it is Better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiki Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 I don't mean to be bringer of bad news or anything, but aren't the internal runner bellhorn plans on the Terf CD's ???? If that is so, wont there be copyright issues with producing them as part of the OpenEZ project ???? I would think it would be the same as posting the PDF of the LongEZ plans. Just a thought. Or you may just be talking about the full size templates, in which case I'll keep my trap shut. Quote Adrian Smart Cozy IV #1453 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Swenson Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Internal belhorns are not part of the TERF CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted March 11, 2007 Author Share Posted March 11, 2007 Were these plans printed on 18x24 paper?No. The instructions are on 8-1/2" x 11" paper, with the drawings on 11" x 17" paper. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiki Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Internal belhorns are not part of the TERF CD. They are definately on my Terf CD's. Quote Adrian Smart Cozy IV #1453 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Matcho Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 They are definately on my Terf CD's.The plans are indeed on the TERF CD. HOWEVER, notice that the PDF on the CD shows the size of Page A-1 (a full scale page) to be 14" x 8.5 as opposed to the 17" x 8.5" that I received from RAF. Using the drawings from the TERF CD will result in incorrectly sized bellhorns. Since the plans are on the TERF CD, I plan on adding only the full-size drawing to the Open-EZ download. Quote Jon Matcho Builder & Canard Zone Admin Now: Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E Next: Resume building a Cozy Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak790 Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Since the plans are on the TERF CD, I plan on adding only the full-size drawing to the Open-EZ download.Great idea:cool: Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhassel Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Thanks Jon, I was in process of re-writing the plans but noticed that the drawings would be difficult to get to the correct size from the pdf. Bob Quote Bob Hassel Cozy Plans #749 Santa Fe, NM http://www.cozyworld.net http://www.hassel-usa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceez Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Jon & All, Before RAF put out plans I made my own version of the Internal Rudder bellhorns and sold plans. Burt told me he like the idea better then Mike's.. I see great idea's on both sides of the designing table and maybe we could combine the two to make a better system. The big differece is that in my plans the original rudder cable and conduit never has to be changed in the location. Just a thought, Dale Quote -- Dale Martin, 509-780-7320 LEZ Lewiston, ID EAA Technical Counselor Owl Eagle Aerial Composites =====================> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I'm game. Whats it take to see your plans?? I'm getting ready to "hide" my rudders. Waiter Quote F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract visit: www.iflyez.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Innova Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Are you ever going to finish the mods on your plane? Don't you just want to fly it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Are you ever going to finish the mods on your plane? Don't you just want to fly it yet? I'm making progress (as opposed to re-gress) It comes down to; "Well, since I have it down, I may as well do this, and, oh yeah, I also wanted to do that." etc, etc, etc, etc, I'm starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. Getting the gear installed and operational was probably the number one item as far as time and resources required. Thats done and I'm very happy with the results. ' Then the next big time consumer was getting the cowl shells designed and molded (done with that) SO, Whats left to do; 1) Finish re-wiring the stuff in the engine compartment, 2) Cowl mounting lips and air ducting, sand and fill 3) Reinstall consoles in back seat, 4) make Oil heat system for thigh support 5) Install hidden bellhorns for the rudders, 6) Final paint Sounds easy, Waiter Quote F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract visit: www.iflyez.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceez Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Waiter, I guess my plans are actually installation instructions and the parts I sold for $175 but have found a way to get the machining done cheaper. Since I had to come home an finish a drawing and some calculations for new airbox,,, well actually just the diffuser part, I'll see if I can locate the pdf for the IRL's. See, in both systems you needed a mechanism to allow the master cylinders to be compressed after reaching full rudder travel. I limited mine to the plans dimensions 4.25" and Mike allow his to increase to 6". After some math I found out there was not any real gain past 4.5". So the first step is to hollow out an area in the winglet to gain access to the conduit. It requires you to remove the rudder. I'll incude one drawing only because it's all I have time for right now:o Quote -- Dale Martin, 509-780-7320 LEZ Lewiston, ID EAA Technical Counselor Owl Eagle Aerial Composites =====================> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceez Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Waiter, I uploaded one page of the plans (pdf) but don't see it in the email. Must be doing something wrong. Quote -- Dale Martin, 509-780-7320 LEZ Lewiston, ID EAA Technical Counselor Owl Eagle Aerial Composites =====================> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Dale, Got it, I need to study it a little more. OK, Tell me if this is what I see? The original cable comes into a new opening on the inboard side of the rudder. The cable is then turned aft by a small pulley. the cable continues aft to another pulley where the cable now turns back out to line up with the new rudder bellhorn. Thanks Waiter Quote F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract visit: www.iflyez.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Whew! I got lucky. I ordered my hidden belhorn, Large Rudder, Ronz etc. back in Jan. They didn't have the Long-Eze manual but I downloaded it from ez.org. Seeing as these are RAF copyrighted plans......is there a problem publishing these? Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I also have the original RAF hidden bellhorn plans. However, this is a design that NiceEZ came up with for the hidden bellhorns. His approach allows you to use the existing cable and housing. Worth looking into Waiter Quote F16 performance on a Piper Cub budget LongEZ, 160hp, MT CS Prop, Downdraft cooling, Full retract visit: www.iflyez.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMann Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Has anyone tried leaving the hidden belhorn as 1 piece aluminum, then connect with a SA362 Fork end http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa361sa362.php And a ball w/Shank http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ms20664c.php I figured on using a clevis pin through an oilite bearing. Just wasn't sure if this (fork) arrangement would be secure enough or not. Quote T Mann - Loooong-EZ/20B Infinity R/G Chpts 18 Velocity/RG N951TM Mann's Airplane Factory We add rocket's to everything! 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 9, 10, 14, 19, 20 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Hicks Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The bellhorn can indeed be just a flat plate with a hole on the end, with a fork fitting swaged onto the rudder cable. Problem is, the fork fitting can't be too big. It's got to go into the wing. Too big a fitting and it will jam in the wing. It's one of the reasons why the RAF design is what it is. The two end plates keep the thimble horizontal, low profile, for going into the wing. Same applies to any fitting attached to the bellhorn. Quote Wayne Hicks Cozy IV Plans #678 http://www.ez.org/pages/waynehicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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