Rob-AVwrench Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 New to the group; I remember reading about an experimental diesel engine, I believe the manufacture is Zoche a german builder. Someone in the US was testing one of thie engines on a pusher. Wonder how it went and if there's a kit available to the public yet? They had a engine rated at 300hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adouglas Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 http://www.deltahawkengines.com/ Looks to be a bit heavy... the designers of these airplanes (Burt and Nat) have said many, many times that the lighter a canard airplane is, the better it will perform. That hasn't stopped people from building airplanes that are hundreds of pounds heavier than the prototypes. So...if you hang a heavy engine off the back, you'll have to carry extra ballast up front to compensate and get back inside the cg envelope. Your useful load will go down. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad choice. Just a point to consider. Quote ====== Not started yet, maybe never will (currently having an affair with an RV project...shhh...don't tell my set of Cozy plans).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-AVwrench Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 http://www.zoche.de/specs.html this is the site... looks good for weight and hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncdoc Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Too bad they: 1. Aren't selling any engines yet. 2. Are only going to sell "certified" engines at "certified" prices. 3. Are in Germany and go to the local "Aero show" 4. haven't got a distribution network set up. 5. Don't have any dates for completion, expected delivery dates etc. Why is it all the really cool engines (and airplanes) are still in the making? Quote Back to building... #618 Cozy MK IV My Cozy web pages, courtesy: Rick Maddy... WN9G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumaros Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Too bad they: 1. Aren't selling any engines yet. 2. Are only going to sell "certified" engines at "certified" prices. 3. Are in Germany and go to the local "Aero show" 4. haven't got a distribution network set up. 5. Don't have any dates for completion, expected delivery dates etc. Why is it all the really cool engines (and airplanes) are still in the making? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Zoche engines. The general consensus about the Zoche diesel venture is that it is more of a subsidy grabbing ploy than anything. The closest equivalent would be the Moller aircar. Real world alternatives right now are the Deltahawk, flying in a Velocity, and Wilksh Airmotive, flying in a Piper I think. The best candidate for an auto-conversion engine would be the new Toyota D-4D Clean Power to be used in the Toyota Avensis and the Lexus IS: 2.2 liter, 175 HP at 3600 RPM, 400 Nm from 2000 to 2600 RPM, all aluminium construction with cast iron liners, ~ 150 kg weight, produced in the all new Toyota factory in Polland with a capacity of 150000 engines per year. Kumaros It's all Greek to me Quote It's all Greek to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Evansic Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 2.2 liter, 175 HP at 3600 RPM, 400 Nm from 2000 to 2600 RPM, all aluminium construction with cast iron liners, ~ 150 kg weight, produced in the all new Toyota factory in Polland with a capacity of 150000 engines per year. Wow! Boy if that was only available here. With ~1.3:1 redrive (to raise the output shaft), that would be perfect. -- Len Quote -- Len Evansic, Cozy Mk. IV Plans #1283 Do you need a Flightline Chair, or other embroidered aviation accessory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm M Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 So, direct drive, 150hp at 2600 rpm, 330 pounds. Do we still need a radiator with this engine, or is it air cooled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Evansic Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 So, direct drive, 150hp at 2600 rpm, 330 pounds. Do we still need a radiator with this engine, or is it air cooled? It's a conventional auto engine; liquid cooled. You would still need a redrive or at least a thrust bearing to take the prop load. -- Len Quote -- Len Evansic, Cozy Mk. IV Plans #1283 Do you need a Flightline Chair, or other embroidered aviation accessory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argoldman Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 New to the group; I remember reading about an experimental diesel engine, I believe the manufacture is Zoche a german builder. Someone in the US was testing one of thie engines on a pusher. Wonder how it went and if there's a kit available to the public yet? They had a engine rated at 300hp. In my imperfect recollection, I remember that Zoche has been showing his diesels at OSH for the last 18-20 years, each time promising that the engine would be available for sale in the following year. The mock ups-he shows are quite good looking. One wonders if he ever plans to manufacture these. Quote I Canardly contain myself! Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumaros Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 It's a conventional auto engine; liquid cooled. You would still need a redrive or at least a thrust bearing to take the prop load. -- Len It's a conventional water-cooled in-line 4-cylinder common-rail turbo-diesel to be used in the new Toyota Avensis and the Lexus IS. For an extensive article on the new Avensis and some pictures of the engine go to this URL:http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050301.011 In one of the pictures, the particle filter is shown attached to the turbo. Doubly attenuated by the turbo and the particle filter, the exhaust note of this engine should be suitably subdued. Kumaros Quote It's all Greek to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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